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Leave it to Conan to perfectly sum up my thoughts on Final Fantasy 9-14.
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Leave it to Conan to perfectly sum up my thoughts on Final Fantasy 9-14.

 

I take offense at piling Final Fantasy IX in that list.

It was the last pure/classic game in the series, and probably my second favorite after VI.

 

But that Conan video absolutely nails why I havent played any FF games (Bravely Default dont count as FF, given how the FF series has changed) since XII, which i barely tolerated.

I tried XIII and barely could make play for a couple hours before slipping into a comma from the gameplay and story/character design.

The series has essentially ruined itself by subsisting on die hard fans while trying to bring in new, casual ones with the gameplay and design changes.

FF XV looks and feels exactly like what it is: an ill designed and failed side title for the series that got upgraded to main game due to an unwilingness to admit its failure and take the losses associated with it.*

 

*Also, gameplay wise, its goddamn Kingdom Hearts, not Final Fantasy.

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I played the new Japanese-only demo on PS4. It isn't terrible, per se, but it feels (and even with the PS4 Pro enhancements, mostly looks likes) the PS3 game it is.
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Jesus, Conan's face the moment the PR rep starts talking.

 

"We're sent on a magical journey and they have us pushing a car?!!" This alone sums up everything fucking wrong with this game.

 

But goddammit if they got Conan to just do commentary while I was playing the game, I'd buy this first day.

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FF XV looks and feels exactly like what it is: an ill designed and failed side title for the series that got upgraded to main game due to an unwilingness to admit its failure and take the losses associated with it.*

 

It looks like a mediocre title that'll probably do decent sales because "SQUARENIX IS RE-WRITING THE RULES OF THE JRPG" is something the gaming press can't resist so they'll hype this all to hell and there's plenty of fans who'll buy this simply because it says Final Fantasy.

 

Bet you know one will give a shit about it in a year.

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I take offense at piling Final Fantasy IX in that list.

It was the last pure/classic game in the series, and probably my second favorite after VI.

 

Yup. Yup, yup, yup. 

 

I quit the series with X and it's goddamn fucking stupid plot and haven't looked back since. 

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It looks like a mediocre title that'll probably do decent sales because "SQUARENIX IS RE-WRITING THE RULES OF THE JRPG" is something the gaming press can't resist so they'll hype this all to hell and there's plenty of fans who'll buy this simply because it says Final Fantasy.

 

Bet you know one will give a shit about it in a year.

What fucking drives me mad with rage is that they are NOT rewriting shit here; they turned Final Fantasy into Kingdom Fucking Hearts, and thats it.

After punishing is with 3 damn sequels to FFXIII, finally getting their shit together with MMO gameplay with the rehaul of FFXIV and watching how Bravely Defaults gets fan and ctitical acclaim on 3DS, they insist on pushing this game out of development hell, when they should had mercy killed it years ago.

This smacks of creator hubris and corporate interest.

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Yup. Yup, yup, yup. 

 

I quit the series with X and it's goddamn fucking stupid plot and haven't looked back since. 

I confess that I was ok with X and its sequel because at least the gameplay was good and the story had its moments (whatever valid criticisms you make, the whole first section of X is pretty damn good ie the Sending of Souls to the Farplane scene), and I pushed through XII just out of boredom and its interesting world design.

But XIII killed the series for me; I couldnt make it past the first 10 hours.

And when you take into account that even Hideo Kojima learned from his mistakes (IE the fucking eternal cutscenes in MGS4) and tried to improve and modernise MGS without alienating hardcore fans, you cant help but think what the hell is worng with Square Enix.

I'll give them a year before they go the way of Konami and Capcom, killing all creative talent and initiative and relying on remasters and casual games.

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I doubt that. Squenix has its eggs in a number of baskets--it isn't going anywhere.

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I doubt that. Squenix has its eggs in a number of baskets--it isn't going anywhere.

 

I mean, yeah, they have Bravely Default, Dragon Quest and whatever Eidos pulls off, but what else?

Star Ocean and Valkyrie Profile are already going mobile, and after Infinite Undiscover and The Last Remnant fizzled while FFXIII was milked for 3 damn games....what else they have?

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And when you take into account that even Hideo Kojima learned from his mistakes (IE the fucking eternal cutscenes in MGS4) and tried to improve and modernise MGS without alienating hardcore fans.

 

Lol.  I remember my friend came over right when I was playing the final battle in MGS4.  We were supposed to go out to a bar or something and I was like, "Just let me watch the ending, and we will go out".  2 hours later...it finally ended.  Longest cut scene ever. We were yelling at the screen after about 30 minutes. To top it off, it was incredibly fucking boring.  When Snake put the gun to his mouth and pulled the trigger I was like "Yes!! That's how I feel!! Do it!!".  Of course they then had to hint that he didn't actually do it and well...whatever.

 

Back on topic.  Is that bit from the video true?  Does it really take 72 hours to beat that "worm"?  That sounds insane, but I wouldn't put it past a FF game.

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Everything about this game looks stupid as fuck.

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Everything about this game looks stupid as fuck.

Here's the 101 Extended trailer to confirm that:

 

 

Its fucking Kingdom Hearts wearing the remains of a failed Final Fantasy XIII project.

I'll admit it looks good and might play just fine, but its anything but a Final Fantasy game to me.

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It's all just trying so fucking hard.

 

Prince Noctis conjures weapons out of thin air -- his family's genetic ability! Also, he owns a town car that can fly!

 

Glasses dude is super thoughtful and will make you pizza!

 

This one guy shoots guns while flipping around and offers moral support! And he looks like Cloud from Final Fantasy VII!

 

The other guy is strong and kills things and yells a lot!

 

It's super modern, but also Victorian, but also futuristic! But also retro! But also classic fantasy!

 

Explore city-sized castles, hyper-futuristic cyber utopias and get there by traveling by Winnebago!

 

There are guns and giant fucking monsters and huge robots and stuff, but these motherfuckers still use swords because yeah!

 

And there's motherfucking Pinball! YYYEEEEAAAAAHHHHH!

 

Fuck off, already.

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It's all just trying so fucking hard.

 

Prince Noctis conjures weapons out of thin air -- his family's genetic ability! Also, he owns a town car that can fly!

 

Glasses dude is super thoughtful and will make you pizza!

 

This one guy shoots guns while flipping around and offers moral support! And he looks like Cloud from Final Fantasy VII!

 

The other guy is strong and kills things and yells a lot!

 

It's super modern, but also Victorian, but also futuristic! But also retro! But also classic fantasy!

 

Explore city-sized castles, hyper-futuristic cyber utopias and get there by traveling by Winnebago!

 

There are guns and giant fucking monsters and huge robots and stuff, but these motherfuckers still use swords because yeah!

 

And there's motherfucking Pinball! YYYEEEEAAAAAHHHHH!

 

Fuck off, already.

More than trying too hard, its just so blatantly obvious they threw everything they think makes FF popular or good at a wall to see what sticked, not caring at all for logic or sense.

I mean, FF I to XII at least have consistent worlds and backstories to them that make sense.

Not so much here, to be honest.

And I cant believe some people still try to argue the all male party isnt a J-pop boy band thing. You can even dress your hunky bros in cool outfits!

 

And fuck this gaming taking pride in evolving or revolutionizing JRPG combat/gameplay; its not, its just using the action/light rpg system of KH and plastering over a FF game because that is what sells now? Seriously?

No wonder Nintendo seems to be the only big japanese game developer that seems to not be on a rut or panicking over taking the casual/newbie gaming crowd over.*

 

*Meanwhile, medium or smaller developers like From Software or Atlus stick to their fanbase and their responses. 

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I think it looks fun. Ya'll need to recalibrate your tolerance for ridiculous shit.

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I think it looks fun. Ya'll need to recalibrate your tolerance for ridiculous shit.

 

I have one hell of a tolerance bar when it comes to ridiculous shit, but not with this game.

Its a problem of having been a fan of the series for so long: if this game fails or suceeds, it will be the death of the franchise for its older, traditional fans anyway.

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Look, nobody wants a legit FF Tactics 2 more than me. (And no, I'm not counting the game boy installments.)

 

But FF15 is not some worldbreaker. Traditional FF fans are well serviced by FF14, which is an absolute monster money maker. I think after all the weird shit Square has pulled, they owe us a traditional, single-player game. And I think we'll get that. FF16 or bust.

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Look, nobody wants a legit FF Tactics 2 more than me. (And no, I'm not counting the game boy installments.)

 

But FF15 is not some worldbreaker. Traditional FF fans are well serviced by FF14, which is an absolute monster money maker. I think after all the weird shit Square has pulled, they owe us a traditional, single-player game. And I think we'll get that. FF16 or bust.

My best case scenario is FFXVI being this (okay, fine, next) gaming generations FFIX; a great throwback to the classic gameplay/feel of the series.

But if the series continues in this line, then I'm out.

This game is, and has always been, a too big/too long in development to fail case; fine its over and its out, now move on, Square Enix.*

And I cant help but think there is a huge hubris/resentment thing going on here; hell, Nintendo made the effort to bring Bravely Default to the west and it paid out for them, but Square couldnt give a shit about it.

Its like they learned nothing from the debacle that was the FF movie that almost killed them.

 

*One thing I absolutely love about Atlus is that while they have no problem experimenting and expanding with the Persona/SMT series, they do so in spin-offs or brand new games in the franchise, while sticking to what works and is loved by the fans when it comes to the core games; this is probably why I eagerly await Persona 5 while not giving a crap about FFXV.

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You know what's bonkers. This fucking thing is already on sale for $35.
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I snagged an early copy.  It's fun, but very, very MMO-ish early on.  This is my first mainline FINAL FANTASY game since FFX in 2001; were FFXII and XIII also like this?  ("Go here, kill X enemies.")

 

I'm also glad I watched KINGSGLAIVE beforehand, or I'd be utterly lost.

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I snagged an early copy.  It's fun, but very, very MMO-ish early on.  This is my first mainline FINAL FANTASY game since FFX in 2001; were FFXII and XIII also like this?  ("Go here, kill X enemies.")

 

I'm also glad I watched KINGSGLAIVE beforehand, or I'd be utterly lost.

 

FFXII was, in a fairly charming way. 

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I'm also glad I watched KINGSGLAIVE beforehand, or I'd be utterly lost.

 

I watched KINGSGLAIVE and i had no idea what was going on.

 

Any fans of THE SPIRITS WITHIN here?

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I watched KINGSGLAIVE and i had no idea what was going on.

 

Any fans of THE SPIRITS WITHIN here?


Kingsglaive, as impenetrable as it is, was still kind of dope.

 

THE SPIRITS WITHIN is anti-cinema.

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I watched KINGSGLAIVE and i had no idea what was going on.

 

Any fans of THE SPIRITS WITHIN here?

 

I liked it at the time, but it has nothing to do with Final Fantasy at all, aside from a few obscure references.

 

 

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Kingsglaive, as impenetrable as it is, was still kind of dope.

 

THE SPIRITS WITHIN is anti-cinema.

What is Advent Children then?

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I think final fantasy is mostly for dumb neck beards and even I like things about advent children.

I liked that late generation ps2 FF. 11? 12? That's the last one I played.
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I think final fantasy is mostly for dumb neck beards and even I like things about advent children.

I liked that late generation ps2 FF. 11? 12? That's the last one I played.

Id agree with you, up to FF12, on the neckbeard thing.

I think the whole FFVII tie ins and FF13 and its fucking sequels is were the series went full neckbeard a-hole anime trash and never looked back.

FF XIV's relaunch and the Bravely Default games are pretty much the only games that retain FF's style, design and feel, and its going to be that way from now on after FFXV.

I shudder thinking what the actual fuck FFXVI is going to look and play like.*

 

*Fuck it, Im calling that we'll see a FFXV-2 instead.

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All of these people are insufferable and I wish them nothing but harm.

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All of these people are insufferable and I wish them nothing but harm.

How anyone can argue with a straight face that these were not patterned on Japanese boy bands or anime characters is beyond me. (At least FF X-2 was honest about that)
Also, you need to watch a short anime series and full cg feature film to understand what's going on or some if it? Seriously?
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I haven't seen the anime series.  You absolutely need to see KINGSGRAIVE, though.  It's almost comical how little the game introduces its concepts.  

 

People are going to have ASSASSIN'S CREED III level problems with the opening, too.  Just as the story catches up with KINGSGRAIVE, just as things threaten to get interesting... you go back to the starting zone and do it all again.

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I saw the Xbox One version was $30 on Newegg today, but I think I'll hold out for $15. The demo I tried on XB1 was godawful, I couldn't even finish it.

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It would be hilarious if this game ended on a cliffhanger after years of development.

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It would be hilarious if this game ended on a cliffhanger after years of development.

Oh you think this'll be a self-contained story? How else will they be able to sell you all those spinoffs?
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Oh you think this'll be a self-contained story? How else will they be able to sell you all those spinoffs?

 

Oh I know there's going to be XV-I to XV-VII because they know people will be dumb enough to pay for them.

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Look, y'all!  A meteor!  In a FINAL FANTASY game!  #twist

 

 

 

This is the first thing you see when you play the disc.  I imagine ryoken spitting at his screen.

 

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I expect no less than an essay length post from ryoken in the morning. Good lord.

 

Pretty disappointed that car doesn't transform into a robot.

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This is the first thing you see when you play the disc.  I imagine ryoken spitting at his screen.

 

 

All I see is a CG hand giving me a middle finger.

 

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I expect no less than an essay length post from ryoken in the morning. Good lord.

 

Pretty disappointed that car doesn't transform into a robot.

I'm not going to write an essay on this at all; everything I had to say about it, I already have.

Its a FF game born out of a failed project that was originally a spin-off of the worst game in the series, its been in development for 10 years and it has been milked dry with side materials, movies and anime, all while being hailed as revolutionary when in fact all it does is take the gameplay and battle system of another game by SE.

If people enjoy it, good for them, but to me, its the culmination of Square's obssesion with making FF a series for casual and long time gamers alike, which it will never be given the series roots and its old fandom.

I pretty much dont care anymore; if I want a Final Fantasy experience, I can play Bravely Default.

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All of these people are insufferable and I wish them nothing but harm.

 

 

...But seriously, I'm actually kinda looking forward to this, if only out of a perverse sense of curiosity. In fact, Hajime Tabata's got some serious goodwill stored up with me for his past work, so we'll see. Although this whole thing originally started off as a Tetsuya Nomura joint, I'm kinda glad he left, since his whole Whedon-esque fanboy cult of personality absolutely drives me up the fucking wall.

 

At any rate, if this one sucks, at least there's still Final Fantasy XII HD coming in the spring for PS4. Ashe's thighs in glorious high-definition.

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Seven chapters and thirteen hours into the game, the storyline might be starting. Maybe.
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I just experienced a wonderful glitch in a dungeon where one of my party members disappeared and the other two wouldn't recognize when we were in combat and just stood around, so I had to tackle the entire dungeon single-handedly.

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Seven chapters and thirteen hours into the game, the storyline might be starting. Maybe.

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I just experienced a wonderful glitch in a dungeon where one of my party members disappeared and the other two wouldn't recognize when we were in combat and just stood around, so I had to tackle the entire dungeon single-handedly.

I salute your resilience, my good sir.
I couldn't muster enough goodwill or interest to survive FF13s overlong intro corridor
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Reading the FF XV spoiler thread on NeoGAF is lots of fun. I'll just wait for PERSONA 5 in April, thanks.

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Reading the FF XV spoiler thread on NeoGAF is lots of fun. I'll just wait for PERSONA 5 in April, thanks.

 

I saw a couple of them say things like they're 13 hours in on Chapter 2, and I just don't understand it.  I'm 17 hours in and midway through Chapter 10, and I do just about every hunt/side quest offered to me to make sure I'm properly leveled for story quests.

 

Maybe they just really like fishing?

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I saw a couple of them say things like they're 13 hours in on Chapter 2, and I just don't understand it.  I'm 17 hours in and midway through Chapter 10, and I do just about every hunt/side quest offered to me to make sure I'm properly leveled for story quests.

 

Maybe they just really like fishing?

 

It's also amusing that the game isn't all open world either. Just the first couple of levels before it becomes more linear. From what I've read so far it seems like a patchwork of ideas that doesn't have any solid continuity to it. Style over substance in this case.

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This game doesn't necessarily have to be better than FFVI, just better than XIII. Either way, it'll definitely demolish XIII. Tabata doesn't have as much history as Nomura, but I think he did a pretty good job with Crisis Core and Type-0, so I trust him enough with XV. Despite my feelings on him, Nomura doesn't seem capable of making a truly awful game either, questionable character designs aside (lookin' at you, belt-dress).

 

Toriyama, on the other hand? Letting him anywhere near a Final Fantasy game is probably not a super-great idea.

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It's also amusing that the game isn't all open world either. Just the first couple of levels before it becomes more linear. From what I've read so far it seems like a patchwork of ideas that doesn't have any solid continuity to it. Style over substance in this case.

 

The open world section is significantly longer than the linear section.  The game has 14 chapters, and two of the linear chapters are less than 20 minutes long.

 

You know what?  There's actually a pretty good, if familiar, FINAL FANTASY story here, but a huge chunk of it happens off screen.  I'm in the final stretch of the game and got hit with a revelation of what's up with Nilfheim, and I wish I could have seen that instead of spending hours fixing my car so that we can to the beach.

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I'm really not a fan of the guy who decided it'd be a great idea to mix the PAL card shenanigans from METAL GEAR SOLID with jump scares for this game's climax.

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My PS4 just started downloading patch 1.02. Get ready for 15GB in day one patches, y'all.
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Do you guys think I should mention this on job applications?

 

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My PS4 just started downloading patch 1.02. Get ready for 15GB in day one patches, y'all.

Well, they had to insert scenes from the CG movie in the game for those that didnt get the special/limited edition to understand half of the story.

 

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Do you guys think I should mention this on job applications?

 

If you are applying for a job at Square-Enix or an S&M club, I guess.

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