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post #651 of 730

I actually like Ultron better than Avengers the first, though Avengers the first as a movie is better put together. But I think Spader, Johnson, and more stuff for Renner (the MCU's secret MVP) and Bettany to do puts Ultron over the top for me in terms of these team up movies. 

 

Winter Soldier the worst. Yes, worse than Thor 2. 

post #652 of 730
The only (ONLY!) thing I have against Winter Soldier is that it's one of those movies that I felt like I knew every single beat in the thing before seeing it...and I did. That's not to say that I didn't find those beats done enjoyably because I did. I just didn't find the whole Cap/Bucky thing interesting until Civil War..
post #653 of 730
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Winter Soldier the worst. Yes, worse than Thor 2. 

This is dumb.
post #654 of 730

It's easy to say "oh anyone could do what Marvel's doing", just like it's easy to say "Oh what Tolkien did isn't so special: just make up a fake Dictionary of terms, set your story in a fake medieval world but with Magic, hint at some broader backstory, and Whallah!". 

 

Except no one did it before Tolkien. 


Ask the Suits at WB/DC how obvious and easy it is to create a shared universe over multiple major motion pictures and have it seem fresh and innovative enough that people come to see them *and each movie earns a profit* over a span of 9 years. 

 

This isn't like previous movie series, where the studio just slapped a name on a script so people would recognize the characters/Stars. 

 

Marvel's introducing more and more "out there" concepts with more and lesser known actor and creators. Tell me a freaking talking Racoon in Space is an obvious or "automatic" concept. 

 

I'll admit Dr Strange was more pedestrian in terms of plot and characterization, but the visuals were eye popping (specifically the Psychedelic imagery) and the resolution to the plot was actually pretty different and personal. It's easy to lose sight of that because yeah, Dr. Strange had an awful lot of "safe" choices in it (would have much preferred more Psychedelic stuff vs the boring Inception imagery), but Strange spending what could be hundreds of years in subjective time being ripped apart yet always coming back to bargin is pretty much the opposite of what Tony Stark does at the end of Iron Man 1,2 or 3. 


Edited by Cylon Baby - Yesterday at 11:18 am
post #655 of 730
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It's easy to say "oh anyone could do what Marvel's doing", just like it's easy to say "Oh what Tolkien did isn't so special"

 

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post #656 of 730
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Halfway through this screenwriting class I wondered "how can Feige keep making these vanilla wafer movies without wanting to blow his brains out?"  Essentially it's the same fucking toy commercial over and over again just with a rotating roster of action figures.  I just don't see how someone as seemingly passionate as Feige seems to be for filmmaking can honestly say he's happy doing this.  Where's the challenge?  These movies practically make themselves now.  Doctor Strange wasn't the first Marvel movie where I had a constant urge to stop watching, but it was the first Marvel movie that seriously made me question my sanity for sitting through these again and again.  Everything was so... fucking... vanilla... uninteresting, seen it a hundred times, visuals FX porn scored to bland not-John-Williams-music.  What do people get out of this?  

 

Look, we've had decades of Hollywood formula, bad movies, snoozefests... but somehow I keep being stunned at the level of vanilla that invades cinemas every year from Marvel.  I think it's just the fact that it's truly a BRAND with a capital B, and not just the one-off Hollywood trash that at least had the potential that it MIGHT be interesting, going for it (and occasionally it is).  But we already know what to expect from these.  You have to stand in awe... Marvel is amazing, but for all the wrong reasons.  It's kind of the apex of Hollywood branding, that idea of crass commercialism having reached its most cynical point, not really being able to go any further.  They've perfected it.  And we suffer through it.

 

Sorry, I really wanted to say something good about this, but Jesus they're really not helping.  



This was you, right?

post #657 of 730
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Two examples of long form story telling using innovative techniques to create an illusion of depth in their fictional universes. 

post #658 of 730
Ambler what do to mean by going nowhere, exactly?

Technically all of ours lives go nowhere but death, does that make it any less meaningful? Do all these superheroes need to die or retire or something? What are you expecting from all of this? I've been keeping up with this franchise for 9 years now and I'm still excited about everything that's coming up. It's obvious that a lot of people feel the same way because they hype train just keeps speeding along release after release.

If you asked me what my top 10 movies were last year I guarantee you Civil War, Doctor Strange, Deadpool and Rogue One wouldn't be on my list. But I'm eating this stuff up!
post #659 of 730
Civil War and Rogue One would be up there for me, but that's more a reflection of none of the prestige fare I sampled really connecting with me. 2016 was not a particularly strong year in my book.
post #660 of 730
There was a time when Civil War and Doctor Strange made my list but I caught up with some of the smaller movies I missed and they were bumped off.
post #661 of 730
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2016 was not a particularly strong year in my book.
2016 delivered two Grade A masterpieces, THE HANDMAIDEN and SILENCE, which is more than you can say for some years.
post #662 of 730

yea, I saw lots of good stuff in 2016!

post #663 of 730
There was a fair amount of good stuff. I didn't see any great stuff, personally.
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good stuff is great!

post #665 of 730

ehh, it's alright.

post #666 of 730

yeah... great is ok

 

but amazing would be great!

post #667 of 730
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2016 delivered two Grade A masterpieces, THE HANDMAIDEN and SILENCE, which is more than you can say for some years.

Really? What year didn't produce at least two masterpieces?

I liked athe Handmaiden quite a bit but Silence was in it those prestige pics (along with Moonlight and Manchester By The Sea) that didn't really connect with me.
post #668 of 730
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Really? What year didn't produce at least two masterpieces?
Off the top of my head?

2006.
post #669 of 730
Shouldn't this convo be in Bart's Pretentious Thread?
post #670 of 730
My top 10 of 2016 included The Fits and not a single Marvel.

So yeah, pretentious.
post #671 of 730
You mean *my* pretentious thread? Bart's thread is the "bad taste" thread.

Anyway, conversation that originates as Marvel chat isn't welcome in my pretentious thread. Even when it concerns a Marvel movie I like.
post #672 of 730
You actually wrote down a list, Bort? Woof.
post #673 of 730
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Off the top of my head?

2006.
The year of Children Of Men, Pan's Labryrinth, The Departed, Casino Royals, The Fountain, The Prestige, Borat, Crank, United 93, A Scanner Darkly, The Host, and Black Book?

I'd take five of those over my favorite of last year. Which I guess is Hell Or High Water?
post #674 of 730
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The year of Children Of Men, Pan's Labryrinth, The Departed, Casino Royals, The Fountain, The Prestige, Borat, Crank, United 93, A Scanner Darkly, The Host, and Black Book?
There are some good and some not-so-good movies in that list. No masterpieces (IMNSHO, of course).

I'd take THE HANDMAIDEN or SILENCE over any of those films.
post #675 of 730
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You actually wrote down a list, Bort? Woof.

I love ranking!

High Fidelity is my #1 movie about ranking!
post #676 of 730
So if Derrickson doesn't come back for STRANGE 2, which director would be a good fit?
post #677 of 730

Either Stanley Kubrick or Orson Welles.

post #678 of 730
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post #679 of 730
Derrickson will be back for sure. He knocked this one out of the park for them.
post #680 of 730
You know, if there had been a Marvel Cinematic Universe back in the day, Orson Welles would gladly have slapped on the Space Viking armor.
post #681 of 730
I want John Carpenter to do Doctor Strange 2 so bad I can't stand it. Gimme some of that expert widescreen usage!

Just for the record, I'm well aware of the chances of that ever happening. But just imagine...Carpenter with a budget like that and in full Big Trouble in Little China mode!

One can dream!

Oh wait...y'all all probably hate dreams :/..
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post #682 of 730
I want Carpenter to make another good movie. I don't care what it is.

STRANGE might be a good project for Vincenzo Natali.
post #683 of 730
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I want Carpenter to make another good movie. I don't care what it is.

 

I would love that, too, but it's going to be really hard to lure Carpenter away from video games and pot. He seems pretty content to spent his latter years mellow, high, and playing Xbox.

post #684 of 730
Only he knows if he has another great movie in him. If he doesn't have the fire anymore, then he should just focus on what he does enjoy, like his music.

But he definitely deserves a better send-off than THE WARD.
post #685 of 730
Gaspar Noe or GTFO.
post #686 of 730
Ew
post #687 of 730
Enter the Void.

Super trippy.
post #688 of 730
Ew
post #689 of 730
Irreversible is kind of like using the Eye of Agamatto.
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post #691 of 730
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This is dumb.

 

Don't sell your movie/have critics sell your movie as a 70s-style conspiracy/political thriller and be the complete, complete, complete opposite. At least Thor 2 made no pretense of what it was. 

post #692 of 730

Thor 2=dull AF

 

Winter Soldier=exciting AF

post #693 of 730

"Hey guys! We're just like The Parallax View and Three Days of the Condor! Never mind that our idea of bleakness and isolation is that Cap feels sad for a little bit, at least until Avengers Two! Look! It's Robert Redford! He was in movies from the 70s! That means we're a conspiracy thriller." 

--Winter Soldier

post #694 of 730

Marketing doesn't matter. A movie is what you're watching in front of your eyes.

post #695 of 730

If the filmmakers explicitly cite 70s conspiracy thrillers as inspiration to the point where it becomes one of if not the only frame of reference, then it's perfectly valid to analyze a movie using that criteria. And even if I didn't know that, I'd be able to to see the movie (in front of my eyes) and see what it was aiming for (in front of my eyes) and analyze it accordingly (using my brain, attached to my eyes). They're not subtle with their conspiracy thriller stuff. 

 

But I liked Doctor Strange! 

post #696 of 730

Nah, Winter Soldier is awesome.

post #697 of 730

You're wrong! 

 

And pretentious!

post #698 of 730

I'm very pretentious.

 

And have bad taste.

 

So don't listen to me, especially if I write long posts.

post #699 of 730

I like your long posts almost as much as I dislike Winter Soldier, which is to say, a lot. 

post #700 of 730

Validation!

 

Boone, I get what you're saying about Winter Soldier. It presents itself as a harder movie initially, tackling exigent topics like surveillance and privacy. Then it switches gears and reveals it's all to blame on a very-punchable supervillain conspiracy. So I can see how someone would be offput by that, but I never expect these movies to have anything more than provocative subtext at the most.

 

Credit where credit is due, they didn't actually defeat Hydra. It carries on as this insidious idea. The problem with WS is we get a lot of Redford saying, "We're the same, you and I." But Hydra isn't really given much in the way of philosophy or ideology except take over the world. For the greater good? To bring order? Even Red Skull was just power hungry and viewed himself as superior to everyone else. 

 

Anyways, I was lukewarm on Doctor Strange at first but it's kind of stuck with me. I look forward to Redboxing it soon to give it another chance.

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