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Originally Posted by erik myers View Post

 

I was shocked that Viola Davis was in this, particularly given her prominence in Marvel's LUKE CAGE,

 

 

Umm... Viola Davis is not in Luke Cage. Alfre Woodard is in Luke Cage.

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I guess it was more "coherent" in that it wasn't missing its thumbs and earlobes and other pieces cut for theatrical runtime, but it's still a turgid, overlong mess that completely misunderstands the universe it's trying to introduce.

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Alfre Woodard is in Luke Cage.

And CIVIL WAR. I can see how that would confuse people.
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People probably think that was Oprah in Civil War.

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The first hour is chopped to hell and barely coherent. It doesn't really work for me until they get into the city.

The problem with Suicide Squad is it overexplains everything. Flashbacks, pop-up bios, expositionary dialogue.

No.

All men-on-a-mission movies, and all ensembles in general, should follow Predator's lead. Dutch and his team are introduced in civilian garb, telling us something about their personalities. Dillon is introduced as a former soldier turned paper pusher. In the helicopter scene Poncho tells a joke to Billy who doesn't get it; Blain is a man's man, doesn't like Dillon and is friends with Mac, who dry shaves. And in the subsequent action scene we learn their skills (Hawkins is radioman, Poncho is demolitions, Blain has a big gun) and a dramatization of Dutch's earlier stated code of honor.

Efficient. Entertaining. Beautiful.

ETA: I mixed up a few names, but you get the idea.
Edited by Bartleby_Scriven - 1/29/17 at 8:21am
post #1256 of 1273
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Originally Posted by Sherman Davies View Post
 

 

 

Umm... Viola Davis is not in Luke Cage. Alfre Woodard is in Luke Cage.

It was sarcasm.  Sorry, I realized I wasn't clear.  I meant that they were essentially the same performance.

post #1257 of 1273
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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post

The first hour is chopped to hell and barely coherent. It doesn't really work for me until they get into the city.

The problem with Suicide Squad is it overexplains everything. Flashbacks, pop-up bios, expositionary dialogue.

No.

All men-on-a-mission movies, and all ensembles in general, should follow Predator's lead. Dutch and his team are introduced in civilian garb, telling us something about their personalities. Dillon is introduced as a former soldier turned paper pusher. In the helicopter scene Poncho tells a joke to Billy who doesn't get it; Blain is a man's man, doesn't like Dillon and is friends with Mac, who dry shaves. And in the subsequent action scene we learn their skills (Hawkins is radioman, Poncho is demolitions, Blain has a big gun) and a dramatization of Dutch's earlier stated code of honor.

Efficient. Entertaining. Beautiful.

ETA: I mixed up a few names, but you get the idea.

So how much of that Batman crap was part of the original shoot?  Because he was popping up frequently there in the first fifteen minutes, in a way that felt really self-conscious.  "Keep watching, because you like Batman, and this connects to Batman, see?"

 

Anyone got a short primer on what was added for the extended version?  There was more Joker than I'd heard was in the theatrical cut.

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Brief bits of Batman are in that earliest SS sizzle reel with the somber "I Started a Joke" song.

Maybe the earlier cut integrated him more naturally. Who knows?
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I'm pretty sure The Buhman chasing Joker's car was the first leaked footage from the shoot.
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I'm pretty sure you're right.

 

Batman capturing Deadshot and Bruce Wayne showing up in the tag felt suspect.

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A scene I wish we got in this was the actual therapy session. Among the montages they're showing her and Joker and it only ends with a gag, him asking for a machine gun. Instead of that, how fun would it have been if we got a whole six minute scene of the two just talking? No music, no cutting back and forth with other scenes. Something no different than what we would get in a Tarantino film. It would have been such an efficient way of introducing this iteration of characters. We see what it is that Harley sees in Joker, what Joker does to seduce her to his viewpoint.

But instead we have a movie cut like a trailer.
post #1262 of 1273

You're trying to put a band aid on a decapitation.  

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But like I said about Predator up above, an extended Joker/Harley sequence doesn't work in this movie. It's like if we had an opening scene of a younger Dillon and Dutch on a mission together. It doesn't work for this particular story!

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PREDATOR didn't have flashback montages of each character.

Really, the perfect formula this film should have looked to was ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK. A situation happens, Viola Davis brings out this expendable crew into the hell zone, we get to know the characters in how they function (with a few passing mentions of their backrounds), accomplishes mission, get ten years taken off, end movie.

It didn't need to be so convoluted.
post #1265 of 1273
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It didn't need to be so convoluted.
You could say this about most blockbusters these days (even the good ones). They're cluttered and inefficient.
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PREDATOR didn't have flashback montages of each character.

Really, the perfect formula this film should have looked to was ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK. A situation happens, Viola Davis brings out this expendable crew into the hell zone, we get to know the characters in how they function (with a few passing mentions of their backrounds), accomplishes mission, get ten years taken off, end movie.

It didn't need to be so convoluted.


This is what I'm saying. Suicide Squad shouldn't have had any flashbacks! If you wanted an extended Joker/Harley sequence, have that be the opening scene, Joker asks for a machine gun. SMASH CUT to the title, then "One Year Later".

 

Boom. Everyone else we get to know through dialogue and, sure, their pop-up scenes.

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I only bring up the extended scene idea because it would have been fun to see the seduction, but it would have only worked in a totally different kind of movie. Maybe a non-linear Tarantino kind of flick like RESERVOIR DOGS. Enchantress at the beginning is largely unknown to us beyond having mystical powers but seemingly works with the crew, midway she betrays them and we cut back to her background finding out she was only blackmailed and Viola Davis is partially responsible for getting them in the situation.

Something like that.
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Point being, that Waller restaurant scene is interminable and if there were going to be flashbacks they needed to be spread out much more liberally.

 

Every large ensemble movie should take the lead of Predator, the above-mentioned Escape from New York and, hell, even the first X-Men. Although even there Rogue's opening scene has always felt a little clunky after the big Magneto holocaust scene.

post #1269 of 1273
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Originally Posted by Mr. Stockslivevan View Post

It didn't need to be so convoluted.
You could say this about most blockbusters these days (even the good ones). They're cluttered and inefficient.
Big time. The worst movies are worst about it, as is usually the case, but even a lot of decent movies these days are about 50% more complicated than they actually need to be.
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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post
 

Point being, that Waller restaurant scene is interminable and if there were going to be flashbacks they needed to be spread out much more liberally.

 

Every large ensemble movie should take the lead of Predator, the above-mentioned Escape from New York and, hell, even the first X-Men. Although even there Rogue's opening scene has always felt a little clunky after the big Magneto holocaust scene.

 

That steak looked really good tho. Rare and juicy! Character beat!

post #1271 of 1273
What was up with Domestic Diablo (tucked in, buttoned-up Izod shirt...and face/neck tattoos)...???
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Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post

Big time. The worst movies are worst about it, as is usually the case, but even a lot of decent movies these days are about 50% more complicated than they actually need to be.
They're trying to offer compressed longform storytelling. It's like they're squeezing a whole TV season in two hours and thirty minutes. You can't typically do that well.

I'd love to see a return to 90-min feature movies that feature a clear premise and efficient structure. Particularly for genre stories.

I'm kinda worn out on this everything-is-an-epic trend.
Edited by Agentsands77 - 1/30/17 at 2:28pm
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old country buffet storytelling

 

 

euuughhhhh, my tract!

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