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post #101 of 158
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It's 'fun' but it has the worst worldbuilding of any science fiction show I can think of (last season had Dutch claim in one episode that faster than light communication was impossible, and in the episode just before that happened one of the characters made a phone call to a planet in another system right in front of her), and its plagued with the worst kind of post-Whedon 'clever' banter over characterization writing. And the music is universally terrible.

post #102 of 158

Just bought the new Deus Ex game on the steam sale and was pleased to notice that Jenson is played by the guy playing Kenzo in the Expanse. Also, I was convinced that the wanker in your team at the start of the game was Simon Pegg, but it turns out it was Peter Seranifowicz doing an impression of his friend Simon Pegg!

post #103 of 158
The second season of this great show starts next month. Just started reading the books and I'm loving it so far.
post #104 of 158

Outstanding. I was mildly let down by Babylon's Ashes so I'm hyped to return to the beginning, so to speak, with season 2 here. Can't wait to see Bobbie Draper in action.

post #105 of 158
https://m.facebook.com/?_rdr#!/ExpanseSyfy/?tsid=0.6129050021141296&source=typeahead

For those that are willing to watch this on Facebook Live, which always seems awkward as hell, the majority of the cast did a Q&A last night at Brooklyn's Drafthouse.

It was a fairly interesting Q&A, but after it was over a long clip from the premiere was shown from the assault on Thoth, showcasing a large portion of the space battle with the Rocinante. The effects look fucking great. I am very pumped for the premiere tomorrow night.
post #106 of 158

Thank you for the reminder that this starts again tomorrow.

post #107 of 158
It's one of the small joys I have to look forward to with all the shit happening these days.

I know it's fiction as well, but a future where we hate each other based on what part of the solar system we were born in (not because of our sexual orientation, gender, or the color of our skin) is mildly refreshing.
post #108 of 158
It's back tomorrow? Yay!

We don't get syfy anymore. Sonofabitch.
post #109 of 158

Weirdly, we get it here on Netflix UK but not SyFy UK. (Which is good for me, because I have a subscription with the former and not the latter.)

post #110 of 158
We recently ditched satellite and went roku and antenna. I'll see if I can find it somewhere.
post #111 of 158
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Weirdly, we get it here on Netflix UK but not SyFy UK. (Which is good for me, because I have a subscription with the former and not the latter.)

Yeah weirdly here in the US it isn't streaming on Netflix, but it is on Amazon Video.
post #112 of 158

IIRC, you could watch individual episodes on the SyFy website.  I know that we caught the last 15 minutes of the season finale on there when our DVR skipped the ending.

post #113 of 158
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IIRC, you could watch individual episodes on the SyFy website.  I know that we caught the last 15 minutes of the season finale on there when our DVR skipped the ending.

I seem to remember that being the case. Hope they do it again.
post #114 of 158
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Love the lady playing Bobbie Draper. Not sure how I feel about her being as "rah rah war with Earth" as she is.

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I'm gonna guess that when the war goes hot after the Ganymede Incident it's going to change her mind about it all.

 

Perfect ending to the episode.

 

Also love that they're dropping f-bombs. They may be censored, but the fact that they're there means we may get the properly foul mouthed Avasarala from the books on the home video release.

post #115 of 158

Seriously, this show is the fucking goods. Epic hard science fiction like this is like crack to me. Those two hours flew by.

 

More please!

post #116 of 158

I was impressed with Draper as well. Looking forward to seeing her in action on Deimos and/or Ganymede, if that's the way the writers are setting up things.

post #117 of 158
It was an impressive premiere. The effects were great, the storyline moved quickly (yet had enough calm character moments sprinkled in), BUT I was watching it with my girlfriend. She watched the first season with me and begrudgingly said she would give season two another shot. I've heard the term "impenetrable" tossed around in regards to this show, and I don't disagree. For someone who is fully immersed and into the show, this is great stuff. And it's only getting better it seems. But to a casual viewer wanting to jump on it can be confusing trying to even understand what is going on. Not to mention all the different dialects and accents you have to pay attention to. Within 30 minutes she was lost and I have to admit I don't blame her.

It is really geared to a specific audience. The type that don't want the hand held through the entire show. And that can appreciate the deliberate pace used. It is definitely not for everyone, no matter how many times the cast says you can just start watching season two without seeing the first.

I love it and am geared up for the season, but I worry about its future. I hope it catches on.
post #118 of 158

It's definitely a show that requires active viewing.  You can't be a passive viewer and follow all of the disparate elements without getting lost, and that's an element that I personally appreciate.  

post #119 of 158
My favorite little moment last night was the minor revelation that this Earth-Mars cold war has been sapping Martian resources that would be used to further terraform Mars and how that is affecting the younger generations feelings towards war. Good stuff.
post #120 of 158
Repeat viewings also help it immensely because there is so much going on. And Avasarala's accent forces me to really hone in in what she's saying.

The first scene with Bobbie's crew jawing in the locker room had me reeling a bit as well. The diversity is amazing in this show and I don't think they should pull back at all, but, like Judas says, it requires active viewing.
post #121 of 158
I also refuse to watch a show with subtitles turned on.

Next week looks like we're going to get some insight into the scientists at Thoth station too, referring to one of the short stories published between novels. Exciting stuff.
post #122 of 158
I cant watch TV without subtitles. Its a habit my wife got me into.
post #123 of 158
On a second watch I liked it even more. This show is something special.

Chad Coleman's voice reminds me of the G.I.JOE cartoons. Love it. So damn earnest without tipping into parody, but only barely.
post #124 of 158

Yeah, cracking start to the new season. My missus is not that convinced either, but she can kind of respect the story I think. There are key events that should be going down this season I can't wait to see.

post #125 of 158

Burned through the first season in a couple of days - I really enjoyed it. I had a couple of quibbles with the final episode but I think they're more budget related than anything else.

 

Sadly there doesn't seem to be a release date for the second season here in Australia yet, even on Foxtel - hopefully Netflix will pick up the whole thing when it's done airing in the US.

post #126 of 158
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It's definitely a show that requires active viewing.  You can't be a passive viewer and follow all of the disparate elements without getting lost, and that's an element that I personally appreciate.  

 

Same here. I'm kind of tired of television shows treating me like a child and repeatedly reminding where I saw a character previously before he / she shows up, or having characters engaged in weird conversations where they're obviously speaking to the audience more than each other. I enjoy trying to keep track of all the factions in this show, as well as all of the characters and what their unique pursuits / motivations are.

 

Very enjoyable opener to the new season. With its political machinations​, factions-within-factions, rough and tumble space battles and a sense that every decision has a very real consequence, The Expanse really feels like a true successor to Babylon Five to me.

 

Also, how cool was the sequence where Fred Johnson just fucking spaced the Black Sky leader?

post #127 of 158

I love this show too. You definitely have to pay attention, and I like that.  Yeah, Saxon, that was very cool.  I also like that Jane's character had no chance against that guy in the kitchen, and how they presumably let it go.  We'll see I guess.  I like my characters all gray, much closer to real life type people.

post #128 of 158

For me, the highlight was the unspoken realization of what what happening in Miller's eyes when Johnson was listening to the scientist at the end. You just knew what he was going to do. :)

 

Good to see they're able to shoehorn the product placement in as well. And that FedEx are still going 400 years from now. :)

post #129 of 158
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Weirdly, we get it here on Netflix UK but not SyFy UK. (Which is good for me, because I have a subscription with the former and not the latter.)

 

 

Netflix only has season 1 doesn't it? Hopefully they'll get the new season soon.

 

Can't wait. I thought the last couple of episodes following our irradiated buddies getting progressively sicker and more violent was oddly hilarious. I want more of that!

post #130 of 158
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Netflix only has season 1 doesn't it? Hopefully they'll get the new season soon.

 

 

Has it? I watched it with a friend today and assumed that's where she got it from. 

 

ETA: Ah, you're right.

post #131 of 158

I just fucking love the way they do space battles. Love it.

post #132 of 158
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I just fucking love the way they do space battles. Love it.

 

Oh yes. The 'reality' of G-Force (offset with the magic juice from the crash seats for plot reasons) and the fact there are no magical 'shields' makes it a lot more tense. We've seen the death that a single PDC round can do in the first season, and in the latest episodes fight, when the rounds just crash through the ship (punching through Naomi's screen an inch from her head), it just feels brutal.

post #133 of 158

I know I'm not the first to bring this up but I love how diverse in race and nationality everyone is. Most sci-fi shows make it feel as though the white population of America conquered space but The Expanse truly feels like humanity went out there together. I continue to love Shohreh Aghdashloo as Avasarala. 

 

I also love how everything feels as though it has history and a reason for being that way. It's one of those little details that a lot of fantasy / science-fiction shows don't pull off and so you're never 100% invested in the show's universe. It's the difference between shows like Battlestar Galactica, Game Of Thrones, Firefly and The Expanse where the things you're watching feel organic and feel like they evolved over time (rather than being invented one afternoon in the writer's room), and shows like almost everything else SyFy has made.

post #134 of 158
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So that rather severe seeming gal who seems to be Fred Johnson's right hand is supposed to be Sam? That's...an unexpected casting choice.

post #135 of 158

Is that confirmed? Haven't watched the latest episode yet, but she doesn't seem to fit with what her role is.

post #136 of 158
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Nobody's said her name yet, but in the latest ep she seems to be filling a lot of Sam's role, and behaving in some Sam-like ways.

post #137 of 158
I tried looking her character up on IMDB but couldn't find a name. She may be a combination of a couple characters. At first I thought she was Michio Pa, but she's doing some very Sam-like things in this episode...
post #138 of 158
So I'm listening to SyfyWire.com's official Expanse podcast and one of the writers (either Ty Frank or Daniel Abraham; they call in together and I can't tell them apart) mentioned the character's name is Drummer. A character from the later books that they've moved up to now. Not sure if that means Sam is gone, but if so...that sucks.
post #139 of 158

Drummer makes a lot more sense.

 

Spoilers though there is nothing here of note, don't want to have to split this thread into Sullied/Unsullied as there aren't enough of us!

 

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When she is finally introduced the implication is she's a trusted associate of Johnson, but that's odd because we'd not seen her before. It's like a character they threw in at the last minute even though from what Holden and the gang had been doing, they should definately have met up with her before then.

 

Nothing to stop them changing things up if the actress doesn't work out, she's not that big a role and even if she does expand out in later books, they can always replace her with someone new.

post #140 of 158

A lot of people on reddit are basically saying the character is a mashup of Sam and Drummer. 

post #141 of 158

Caught up on the first three episodes - I like Bobbie Draper but the scenes with her Martian crew seem like they're hitting the same beats every week. I felt the same way about the early Miller/Belter stuff though and it paid dividends, so I'm happy to suspend judgement for the time being.

 

Also, kicking myself that I didn't recognise Cutty from The Wire. 

post #142 of 158
Just started watching this on Netflix. Enjoying Jane and the politics, not yet fully on board with the surviving crew. Things definitely kicked up a notch in Episode 4, didn't they? Poor fucker - what were the chances of his head being in the way of a projectile launched over thousands of kilometres. Reminded me of the old story of Nelson's aide decapitated during the run into the French and Spanish at Trafalgar. Except that was more likely.

It's disjointed but there is enough there to keep me onto it for a while. Sort of a cross between B5 and Battlestar. I won't read anything up thread for fear of spoilers.

Makes me wish someone would get onto figuring out how to adapt the Culture novels.
post #143 of 158
I've never seen Babylon 5, but I think I'm far more in love with The Expanse right now than I was with Battlestar at the same point in its second season.
post #144 of 158
Oh well, that's a gauntlet. I was into Battlester from 33 and it only loosened its grip in the final season (though I still liked it).

If there is something that is slightly bothering me it's that there are two/three stories being told and each one is in effect a mystery. That's fine but I need more progression in each story even if it's just narrative development. Battlestar had a simple core story - let's get the fuck away from the murderous Cylons and try not to turn on each other, and the mystery of who and what the Cylon are was basically ancillary. Here there is a basic mystery - who is this new power, and the stories seem to be taking a long time to dole out information.

Maybe I'm confusing the Macguffin for the point, and to be fair I am enjoying it, but I'm hoping there is another gear shift or the momentum isn't lost from the Donnegar episode.
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post #145 of 158
Oh, I'm of the opinion that 33 is one of the best single hours of television, like . . . ever.

Strangely, the hallucinatory weirdness that was the final season gripped me as much as the first despite how much I thought I disliked it at the time.
post #146 of 158
I stopped caring about the theological material in BSG just about the time they decided to make it the key to resolving the story. Which is a shame because I'm not averse to spirituality as an antidote to granular materiality in storytelling. It's just that making it very textual like they did in the last season, at least that's my recollection of it, rather rendered questions of grace into something more mechanical. I didn't roll with it.

Babylon 5 is worth your time. You can pretty much skip season 1 and season 5 is not essential. Seasons 2 to 4 though are great mythological space opera with excellent aesthetics compromised only by 90s tech and a constrained budget. Arguably it manages to weld ergonomics with the cosmic better than any other space tv show I've seen since original Trek.
post #147 of 158
I pretty sure I had it in my Netflix cue way back when they came in the mail, but never got around to pulling the trigger on it. That and The Wire are shows near the top of the 'Have to Watch Someday' list, keeping Person of Interest company.
post #148 of 158
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Babylon 5 is worth your time. You can pretty much skip season 1 and season 5 is not essential. Seasons 2 to 4 though are great mythological space opera with excellent aesthetics compromised only by 90s tech and a constrained budget. Arguably it manages to weld ergonomics with the cosmic better than any other space tv show I've seen since original Trek.

 

I don't want to derail the thread, but I've been angling on finally watching Babylon 5 but in my last two attempts I never got past 2-3 episodes. Is skipping the first season really viable? I get a minor case of OCD when it comes to genre shows with lots of mythology and world building. Were I to give B5 another go soon, are there some key episodes in season 1 I should muscle through that will be beneficial to my enjoyment of the show overall? 

 

Budget wouldn't allow for it, but I'd love to see a show based on Octavia Butler's Xenogenesis trilogy. Put a devoted and intelligent team on it like The Expanse, and there's tons of weighty and unique sci-fi awesomeness they could mine from it.

I just got the first two Expanse novels on my Kindle.. not sure if I want to spoil things for myself by reading them or not.  

post #149 of 158
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Just started watching this on Netflix. Enjoying Jane and the politics, not yet fully on board with the surviving crew. Things definitely kicked up a notch in Episode 4, didn't they? Poor fucker - what were the chances of his head being in the way of a projectile launched over thousands of kilometres. Reminded me of the old story of Nelson's aide decapitated during the run into the French and Spanish at Trafalgar. Except that was more likely.

It's disjointed but there is enough there to keep me onto it for a while. Sort of a cross between B5 and Battlestar. I won't read anything up thread for fear of spoilers.

Makes me wish someone would get onto figuring out how to adapt the Culture novels.

 

The PDC rounds they fire are aimed at the ship. In the Expanse universe, essentially if they get close enough (battles are mostly torpedo to torpedo) they spray thousands of high density rounds at each other. So the ship is going to get peppered but the aim is to take out a reactor or something critical. However, it means that hundreds of high density tungsten balls are punching through the hull. Someone is going to get hit but odds are you won't... but if one is coming your way there is nothing you can do about it to prevent it from being you. Death is random. :)

 

I like it. It's nice to have space battles that don't rely on magic shields to keep everyone safe. That getting into CQC is dangerous.

post #150 of 158
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I just got the first two Expanse novels on my Kindle.. not sure if I want to spoil things for myself by reading them or not.  

 

The Expanse novels are fucking ace, do it. I can appreciate the show even though I know what is going to happen, much as I appreciate Game Of Thrones. Bear in mind, we are still on book one in the show. God knows how long they are going to run this show for as the plan is for nine books.

 

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I don't want to derail the thread, but I've been angling on finally watching Babylon 5 but in my last two attempts I never got past 2-3 episodes. Is skipping the first season really viable? I get a minor case of OCD when it comes to genre shows with lots of mythology and world building. Were I to give B5 another go soon, are there some key episodes in season 1 I should muscle through that will be beneficial to my enjoyment of the show overall? 

 

Watch episodes 1, 6, 8, 13, 20 (Babylon Squared is one of the greatest set-ups any show has done that is not resolved until seasons later) and 22.

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