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post #201 of 390
"Should we release it as 'Salazar's Revenge' in the UK and France?"

"Yes, on the former, no on the latter."

"What should we call it in France then?"

"'Revenge of Salazar!'"

"Oh, fuck yeah!"
post #202 of 390
"Pirates of the Caribbean: Who the Fuck is Salazar?" is just as good a title..
post #203 of 390

Ah yes, the famous Salazar!  That'll really bring 'em in.

post #204 of 390
Is it Salazar Slytherin? Is this part of the Harry Potter universe now?
post #205 of 390
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Is it Salazar Slytherin? Is this part of the Harry Potter universe now?

 

Shhh, Bradito. They'll hear you.

post #206 of 390
Wait... Johnny Depp is in the new Fantastic Beasts movie.

Holy shit!
post #207 of 390

Researching further, I think Wikipedia is wrong and it's going to be SALAZAR'S REVENGE in all the non-North American territories, and "REVENGE OF SALAZAR" is popping up as well only because it's what it looks like if you translate the Spanish version back into English.

 

So maybe it's only two titles.  Still, what do you need two for?  This isn't a Harry Potter situation where it's based on a book named differently in different markets.

post #208 of 390
Movies sometimes get other titles internationally. "Die Hard" has some of the best: "The Glass Jungle," "A Tough Nut to Crack," etc.
post #209 of 390
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Movies sometimes get other titles internationally. "Die Hard" has some of the best: "The Glass Jungle," "A Tough Nut to Crack," etc.

Nice.

post #210 of 390
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"Pirates of the Caribbean: Who the Fuck is Salazar?" is just as good a title..

 

Still laughing at this.

post #211 of 390
I can understand doing that when the title is some phrase or idiom that doesn't really translate, but changing "Dead Men Tell No Tales" for the UK? I have to assume it breached copyright somehow because this is the most awkward title change since we were expected to called it "Marvel's Avengers Assemble" because of Patrick Macnee and Co.
post #212 of 390
I wish I could remember in which country that Dr No was titled PLEASE, I DON'T NEED A DR....or something like that..
post #213 of 390
Ha, "Marvel's Avengers Assemble" sounds so dumb.
post #214 of 390

I could sort of understand throwing Salazar into the title for non-english-speaking territories, because they often have bizarre titles that - when translated - make little sense.  But the UK?  Why does Disney think the name "Salazar" is now somehow a box office draw?  Bizarre.

post #215 of 390

Man, the Americans are going to be very confused when us Europeans are talking about how cool Salazar is and they're all "Who da fuq is that?"

post #216 of 390
I'm hearing reports that Capitan Salazar is projected to be next year's hot breakout character, a real Harley Quinn! Amazing!
post #217 of 390
Some new Captain Salad Lizard is all ok and everything but....Barbossa (sp?) has totally worn out his welcome..
post #218 of 390

Bite your tongue!  Geoffrey Rush is one of the last remaining reasons to see these movies.

post #219 of 390
"Dead men tell no tales" is from the actual ride, so it's odd that they're not keeping it.

Doesn't anyone care about fidelity to the source material?!

Not in Trump's America.
post #220 of 390

Maybe there's an additional scene in the European version where one of the dead male pirates tells a tale, and the studio head realized the title wouldn't fly any more. And they were right!

post #221 of 390

This franchise has a long history of cumbersome subtitles.  Fun story from Terry Rossio about the first movie's title:

 

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    We were in post production on what was shaping up to be a pretty decent film, when suddenly word came down from the marketing department, the title of our film was to be changed!
clmnindt.gifInstead of PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN, it was to be called, PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: THE CURSE OF THE BLACK PEARL.
clmnindt.gifWe were aghast -- incredulous -- confused -- and insulted. PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN was a classic title. It felt complete, elegant. Like TREASURE ISLAND, or even THE THREE MUSKETEERS, or THE COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO. PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN fit right into that group. When you add the subtitle, the pristine simplicity of the concept became smudged, and it immediately felt like a different beast, a HELLO MARY LOU: PROM NIGHT 2, or BREAKIN' 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO.
clmnindt.gifAdding insult to injury was the fact that we weren't consulted. We could have helped create a subtitle -- one that actually made sense. Maybe I'm a stickler for detail, but come on, how could that be the title of the film when there was, um, no actual curse on the Black Pearl. The curse was laid on the crew, and it derived from Aztec gold intended as a punishment for Cortez, and had pretty much nothing to do with the ship at all.
clmnindt.gifSo not only were we being stuck with a subtitle, the subtitle didn't make sense.
clmnindt.gifThere was another point, a finer one, that bothered me. When you design a screenplay, you design the story to unfold in a certain order. The film first introduced the ship, the Black Pearl, and then later the cursed crew. The ship was always known to be a ship and not an actual pearl. To those who saw the poster or heard the title of the movie, they might visualize an actual black pearl, something we didn't want to have to undo. It all seemed like a jumbled, artless mess.
clmnindt.gifAll were in agreement, but how to fix it? The only way to trump the marketing department would be to make a plea directly to Michael Eisner. Jerry Bruckheimer said "You go ahead and make that call." He agreed with the logic, but didn't want to take on that fight. Jerry was trying to get additional finances to complete the film, and had to pick and choose his battles.
clmnindt.gif"I'll do it," I said, filled with righteous creative indignation. "I will make that call."
clmnindt.gifSo after a bit of phone tag this lowly screenwriter from the bowels of the company gets the mighty CEO on the line.
clmnindt.gif"Eisner here."
clmnindt.gifI said how much I appreciated him taking the call, and pled my case. The subtitle wasn't logical, didn't fit the movie, and besides, there was no curse on the ship, etc. The narrative would be adversely affected.
clmnindt.gif"That's interesting, about the narrative," he said. "I hadn't thought of that."
clmnindt.gifEmboldened, I argued how the title cheapened the perception of the film. "We might have had a chance at an Academy Award nomination," I said. "But not with that subtitle."
clmnindt.gifHe answered: "We're thinking about making a sequel."
clmnindt.gifSilence.
clmnindt.gifMore silence.
clmnindt.gifUp to that point, no one -- I mean, no one -- had entertained that thought of a sequel, certainly not me. Just the opposite, everyone knew the film was going to tank. It was a pirate film, after all.
clmnindt.gifA bit more silence, then --
clmnindt.gif"Okay," I said.
clmnindt.gif"Thank you for bringing this up. I'll look into the issue with our marketing department, see if we can't come up with something more appropriate."
clmnindt.gifHe hung up. No change on the title, but we did get sequels.
clmnindt.gifA fair trade!

 

Also, the subtitle of the third movie ended up coming down to AT WORLD'S END versus CALYPSO'S FURY.  Obviously they made the right choice, but SALAZAR'S REVENGE sounds incredibly reminiscent of the rejected option.

post #222 of 390
Every sequel should just be subtitled Beyond Thunderdome..
post #223 of 390
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clmnindt.gifHe answered: "We're thinking about making a sequel."
clmnindt.gifSilence.
clmnindt.gifMore silence.
post #224 of 390
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Every sequel should just be subtitled Beyond Thunderdome..

 

THE SEA WARRIOR

post #225 of 390
Fury Wave?
post #226 of 390
Usually the first movie in a series doesn't get a subtitle. The subtitle is reserved for the sequel(s). Their marketing department was a bunch of know-nothings.
post #227 of 390
Which is why I can never make myself say A New Hope. They were always Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi..
post #228 of 390
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This franchise has a long history of cumbersome subtitles.  Fun story from Terry Rossio about the first movie's title:

 

 

Also, the subtitle of the third movie ended up coming down to AT WORLD'S END versus CALYPSO'S FURY.  Obviously they made the right choice, but SALAZAR'S REVENGE sounds incredibly reminiscent of the rejected option.

That Rossio story is classic Eisner.

 

And CALYPSO'S FURY?  Why the hell would they want that total nothing of a character to become titular?  Clearly the right call was made, but it's really strange they were thinking of going another way.  Perhaps that came from a time when they were outlining and the character was going to be more important to the story.

post #229 of 390

To be fair, I'm sure Calypso was supposed to be interesting and make sense on paper.

post #230 of 390
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To be fair, I'm sure Calypso was supposed to be interesting and make sense on paper.

Maybe, but she's still such a small part of the story (unless they had other plans which were dropped).  It would be the equivalent of subtitling the movie after Chow Yun-fat's character, or something.  They have very little impact on the narrative.

post #231 of 390
I honestly like At World's End, but still think Chow Yun Fat is wasted.
post #232 of 390

All I keep thinking of is having one of these.

 

post #233 of 390
It was her fury. Salazar is the one with revenge.
post #234 of 390
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I honestly like At World's End, but still think Chow Yun Fat is wasted.

He did seem drunk. He tried to rape Kiera Knightly.

Which is wrong.
post #235 of 390
Sairus is the guy at the party who walks up to a group of people, says something creepy and kills the conversation.
post #236 of 390
Are you saying rape is wrong?
post #237 of 390
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He did seem drunk. He tried to rape Kiera Knightly.

 cue 90's Disney Theme.

post #238 of 390
Relatively new picture of Bardem as Captain Salazar, no doubt en route to exact that titular revenge.*

full-look-at-pirates-of-the-caribbean-5-villain.jpg

So is he the captain of The Flying Dutchman or not? Him somehow usurping Will could be the justification for bringing that character back while making use of existing mythology. I'd prefer that over Bardem and his crew being like the fourth distinct breed of undead pirates in this series.

*Revenge may not be available in your country
post #239 of 390
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I'd prefer that over Bardem and his crew being like the fourth distinct breed of undead pirates in this series.

I agree.  The designs of his crew seem right out of the Dutchman playbook.

post #240 of 390

I still don't get the international subtitle.  A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET 2: FREDDY'S REVENGE or MONKEY ISLAND 2: LECHUCK'S REVENGE work because you actually know the villain being referenced.  I do think the domestic title is a bit long and cumbersome, but at least it's not naming people we don't know.

 

Okay, fine, I just wanted to make a Monkey Island reference.

post #241 of 390
Super Bowl spot:
post #242 of 390
They've definitely... reeled..... me back in.
post #243 of 390
You get that Fleed shit outta here!

It's not a bad preview. It looks more visually striking than STRANGER TIDES, anyway.
post #244 of 390
No problem Agent.... Sands......

Seriously though going with the directors of Kon Tiki made this movie look like a beauty at least.
post #245 of 390
Why does Barbossa have his privateer outfit on? He chucked it at the end of the last movie to signal his return to piracy.
post #246 of 390
Laundry day?
post #247 of 390

Hang on, there's a shot of Will looking all barnacle-y in there. That means the Dutchman has gone off-mission again.

 

Is it possible that Will is the actual villain of this one?

post #248 of 390

The only thing I can tell you about the fourth film is that I saw it. 

post #249 of 390

I hope Bloom is in his WS Anderson-Three Musketeers mode!

 

HAVE FUN, BLOOM!

post #250 of 390

 The dark foreboding tone doesn't work for me. A POTC movie sound look like a wild and fun adventure. Even if I liked the trailer, its still doubtful that I would see the movie; the fourth movie was so forgettable that I'm done with this series.

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