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post #1151 of 1905
The performances are terrible. And the "drama" is THE O.C.-level fluff.
post #1152 of 1905

Heartless fuddy duddies!

post #1153 of 1905

You watched those next two episodes of Breaking Bad yet?

post #1154 of 1905

Two and a half, gringo!

post #1155 of 1905

Get on it!

post #1156 of 1905

Call me when the best character in DC - Cyborg, obviously - shows up in Gotham.

post #1157 of 1905
Motherfucking Cyborg, playing for the Gotham High School football team or some shit.

Probably likes to work on cars.

Yuck.
post #1158 of 1905

Best DC character tho

post #1159 of 1905
He'd fit right in on CHUD's favorite manbaby shows The Flash and Supergirl.
post #1160 of 1905
Heyyyy, The Flash is shit. Supergirl is breezy fun.
post #1161 of 1905
So...did Supergirl get better once it moved to The Cw? Because man I found that show obnoxious when it was on cbs.
post #1162 of 1905
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Originally Posted by Lightning Slim View Post

Heyyyy, The Flash is shit. Supergirl is breezy fun.

Ew
post #1163 of 1905

Melissa Benoist is the goods.

 

Writing is still shite though. 

post #1164 of 1905
Did you receive a box of grenades for Christmas, Bart, and you've nowhere else to use them but here?
post #1165 of 1905
Truth bombs!
post #1166 of 1905

Gotham is garbage. It's also infinitely more entertaining than what I've seen of Supergirl or The Flash.

post #1167 of 1905
I actually understand the people who like those shows far more than the people who say their terrible but watch anyway because...reasons.

Of course, I generally think those people are lying to deflect criticism of their taste. DC Entertainment is in desperate need of a page one rewrite of their film and television projects. Gotham is especially galling because the Renee Montoya-led Gotham Central version I had in my head for years would have been so much better.
post #1168 of 1905

I don't watch Gotham but the kid playing The Joker (yeah, I know they haven't officially called him that yet) is, from the clips I've seen on Youtube, a billion times better than whatever the fuck Jared Leto is doing with the character. 

post #1169 of 1905

Cameron Monaghan from Shameless. I don't watch Gotham regularly either, but he is really good. 

post #1170 of 1905

Is he actually The Joker? That show is so confusing. 

post #1171 of 1905
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
It's all but confirmed. He was killed in the first season but was recently brought back, with his face stapled on in a permanent smile ala New 52 Joker.
post #1172 of 1905
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Originally Posted by MrSaxon View Post

I don't watch Gotham but the kid playing The Joker (yeah, I know they haven't officially called him that yet) is, from the clips I've seen on Youtube, a billion times better than whatever the fuck Jared Leto is doing with the character. 

Jerome is a community theater understudy compared to Leto.
post #1173 of 1905
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Jerome is a community theater understudy compared to Leto.
...and they both ain't shit next to Nicholson and Ledger..
post #1174 of 1905
Nicholson is the best live action Joker.
post #1175 of 1905

Nicholson is great for what Burton is doing with Batman but he's far from my favorite. I also kind of hate the whole Jack Napier / "You killed my parents!" garbage that comes with his version of the character.

post #1176 of 1905
The Joker is a tired character who needs to be retired from all Batman stories, regardless of medium, for a decade.
post #1177 of 1905
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The Joker is a tired character who needs to be retired from all Batman stories, regardless of medium, for a decade.

Agreed.
post #1178 of 1905

No, he just needs to be changed into something different than what he's been for the past 20 years. I've said before that they've leaned far too heavily into the "Joker as monster" thing, so pulling him back a bit would serve the character well. For what it's worth, I think Leto's "jealous boyfriend Joker" is significantly different than what I was expecting from his interpretation. It's a shame that in a movie filled with villains, including the greatest comic book villain, Suicide Squad was unable to actually create a single character to serve as a compelling threat to anyone

post #1179 of 1905
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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post

Nicholson is the best Joker still alive.
FTFY
post #1180 of 1905
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Originally Posted by Fraid uh noman View Post


FTFY


Mark Hamill is still alive.

post #1181 of 1905

He's a cartoon. I know it's becoming popular to act like what Ledger did wasn't awesome, but it was and still is. He did something with that 70+-year-old character what had never really been done, which was make him matter outside of his context as a Batman villain. 

post #1182 of 1905
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Mark Hamill is still alive.
I get that opinion. I just don't share it..
post #1183 of 1905
Ledger is awesome. But my position has always been that Nicholson more embodies classic Joker, my preferred take.

I think I've proven my love of Burton and Nolan distinctly. I'm not some fairweather fan over here.
post #1184 of 1905
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny View Post
 

He's a cartoon. I know it's becoming popular to act like what Ledger did wasn't awesome, but it was and still is. He did something with that 70+-year-old character what had never really been done, which was make him matter outside of his context as a Batman villain. 


My comparison was between Hamill and Nicholson - both of whom were cartoons, only one of which was in live action.

 

Fraid: Fair enough.

post #1185 of 1905
Blasphemy time:

Hamill's Joker is one-note. He relies far too much on the laugh.

Come at me, etc.
post #1186 of 1905
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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post

Ledger is awesome. But my position has always been that Nicholson more embodies classic Joker, my preferred take.

I think I've proven my love of Burton and Nolan distinctly. I'm not some fairweather fan over here.

 

I agree, but I don't have a preferred take. I don't really care about cartoons in this conversation, but there's no getting around the fact that Hamill's voice work is iconic. I still believe that the Joker has been the most consistently well-served comic book villain in live-action form and yes, that includes Leto, who had the misfortune of being in a disjointed movie that couldn't find an organic place for him.

post #1187 of 1905
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Blasphemy time:

Hamill's Joker is one-note. He relies far too much on the laugh.

Come at me, etc.

 

I would say that since he's playing a character in a Saturday morning cartoon, the amount of evolving he could do in a role that only used his voice was limited beyond his control. What I thought Hamill was particularly good at was weaving these moments of seething anger and malevolence that's always lurking below the mirth and pageantry. That's a defining trait of his Joker; the guy hates everyone around him. 

 

Nicholson's Joker was always a psychopath who was relieved of the mask of sanity that he had to wear to get anywhere in the social structure of organized crime and Ledger's Joker was strangely sympathetic, like a guy who probably kept getting the shit end of the stick in life until it wholly twisted his worldview. 

post #1188 of 1905
Even 20 years later in the Arkham games he has like three gears. They're good gears, but I'm never surprised and always know what to expect.
post #1189 of 1905
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny View Post
 

 

I would say that since he's playing a character in a Saturday morning cartoon, the amount of evolving he could do in a role that only used his voice was limited beyond his control. What I thought Hamill was particularly good at was weaving these moments of seething anger and malevolence that's always lurking below the mirth and pageantry. 


Yeah. Whenever he got a moment like the "Behind all the sturm and batarangs, you're just a little boy in a playsuit crying for mommy and daddy" speech in Batman Beyond: ROTJ (one of my favorite Joker moments in any medium), he absolutely nailed it. He really can project that malevolence and hatred, and still bring the vaudeville.

post #1190 of 1905
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Yeah. Whenever he got a moment like the "Behind all the sturm and batarangs, you're just a little boy in a playsuit crying for mommy and daddy" speech in Batman Beyond: ROTJ (one of my favorite Joker moments in any medium), he absolutely nailed it. He really can project that malevolence and hatred, and still bring the vaudeville.

 

I agree with that. Outside of killing this person or that person and frustrating him to the point of madness, that moment in ROTJ has to be the worst he's ever cut Batman to the bone in anything.

post #1191 of 1905

What makes that an even better Joker moment is when he tells Bruce he would laugh if it wasn't so pathetic and then he laughs anyway.

 

I'm a fan of the Supergirl TV show. The show's optimistic tone works for me and it has a strong supporting cast. I wouldn't disagree if someone called it cheesy, but cheese can be damn tasty. Ok the whole James Olson is now a crime fighter is lame, but other than that the show is damn good.

post #1192 of 1905
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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post

Nicholson is the second best live action Joker.

 

post #1193 of 1905
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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post

Blasphemy time:

Hamill's Joker is one-note. He relies far too much on the laugh.

Come at me, etc.

I'm not sure if I would go that far, but I definitely never need to hear him voice the character again. Same with Conroy.

post #1194 of 1905
Hamill's take has been somewhat diluted by the ARKHAM games. In BTAS, it's perfect.

If Nicholson or Ledger had performed the role as extensively as Hamill has, we'd be talking about how they had kinda run out of juice, too.
post #1195 of 1905
I'm being mean. I love Hamill. I just prefer Nicholson above all.

His switch during the climax from "You wouldn't hit a guy with glasses?" to "You idiot! You dropped me into that vat of acid!" to his dancing on the ledge with "Well, it's time to retire." So perfectly Joker.
post #1196 of 1905
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Originally Posted by Agentsands77 View Post

Hamill's take has been somewhat diluted by the ARKHAM games. In BTAS, it's perfect.

If Nicholson or Ledger had been performed the role as extensively as Hamill has, we'd be talking about how they had kinda run out of juice, too.


I would agree with both this and Atom. As great as Hamill and Conroy are, it's past time for them to retire as those characters.

post #1197 of 1905
Even as a teenager I felt like I could see right through Nicholson's performance. It's very distracting, even by BurtonLand Grand Guignol standards. Call me weird but I always felt like the Burton films were doing something entirely different from Batman but happened to be dressed up like it.
post #1198 of 1905
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Originally Posted by Lightning Slim View Post

Even as a teenager I felt like I could see right through Nicholson's performance. It's very distracting, even by BurtonLand Grand Guignol standards.

 

I never felt like we got The Joker. We got Nicholson being Nicholson in makeup. 

post #1199 of 1905
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I never felt like we got The Joker. We got Nicholson being Nicholson in makeup. 

 

I'm sorry, but I have no earthly idea why people keep saying this. It's one of the most frustrating memes that doesn't make sense and won't go away. Nicholson is a distinctive personality to be sure, but he's not at all playing himself. His portrayal isn't especially deep, but there's a whole character there. He goes from a cold, sociopathic, narcissistic gangster to a full blown technicolor psychopath. 

post #1200 of 1905

Really? It's not a meme for me. When I watch that film, I don't see Nicholson inhabiting or portraying a character. I see Nicholson doing, essentially, his greatest acting hits. 

 

Contrasted to Keaton, who's very much playing dual roles and fully inhabiting both.

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