CHUD.com Community › Forums › THE MAIN SEWER › Movie Miscellany › Film Critic Catch-All
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Film Critic Catch-All - Page 89

post #4401 of 4446
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post
 

is it about Lucy Liu's character from Shanghai Noon?

 

For the purposes of avoiding law suits, let's say "no".

post #4402 of 4446
So did his children get saved by this or whatever, then?
post #4403 of 4446
I saw that tweet and was like, "500 goofballs actually bought the book?"
post #4404 of 4446
Quote:
Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post

As I've said before, take your "followers" and "likes" to the bank and see what they count for as collateral sometime.


.000000000000000073 Bitcoins each.

post #4405 of 4446
I like his tweets where he's melting down, and they're also free.
post #4406 of 4446
Quote:
Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post

"Four-quadrant" means you can even watch it on the Voyager, assuming you can get that asshole Paris out of the holodeck.

Paris I can live with. It's Neelix that needs to fuck off.
post #4407 of 4446

I thought Harry was the one hogging the Holodeck.

post #4408 of 4446
Spoiler: actually I only know Voyager from listening to other nerds bitching about it.

I plan to keep it that way.
post #4409 of 4446
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post
 

oooof

 

 

file into the folder of "the social media currency exchange rate REALLY screws you"

Indeed.  It's been observed for a while that the number of followers or subscriptions to any regular media person only guarantees you about 1% of that number in real 'engagement' on a regular basis  (the clearest place you see it is youtube views.  People with 500,000 subscribers average 50,000 views.  People with a million subscribers average 100,000 etc etc)

So this is pretty much bang on.  I guess no one told Drew.

 

(ok the youtube example shows 10%.  Long week.  1% still a thing people talk about though.  Maybe it's baseline, not average, with youtube views)


Edited by Muzman - 2/3/17 at 9:34pm
post #4410 of 4446
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post
 

oooof

 

 

file into the folder of "the social media currency exchange rate REALLY screws you"

 

But the title alone should have sent it into best seller category!!!

post #4411 of 4446
Quote:
Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post

Spoiler: actually I only know Voyager from listening to other nerds bitching about it.

I plan to keep it that way.

You're so better off.
post #4412 of 4446
Quote:
 

 

 

Fewer.

post #4413 of 4446
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Stockslivevan View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post

Spoiler: actually I only know Voyager from listening to other nerds bitching about it.

I plan to keep it that way.
You're so better off.
A brief recap of "Threshold" was the clincher.
post #4414 of 4446
Oh man. It makes "Spock's Brain" look like a masterpiece.
post #4415 of 4446
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bradito View Post

I like his tweets where he's melting down, and they're also free.


Honestly, even beyond Muzman's post, this is a big reason why Drew's book isn't selling, I think. He's been giving off a stink of desperation for awhile now, and it's caused his reputation to fall. Wild-eyed panic is not a good selling point.  Too, I think he's misjudged his audience. The Film Nerd 2.0 stuff is where his heart is, but I suspect he'd probably get more buyers (maybe even a real publisher) for an early tell-all history of the AintItCool era. And are any of those people helping him sell the book? Or has he burned all his bridges?

 

In contrast, just a couple of weeks ago I went to a Q&A book signing with Drew's former Hitfix coworker Alan Sepinwall, for the book he cowrote with Matt Zoller Seitz (called TV: The Book). Now, it was a small indie bookstore, but it was standing-room only for the Q&A over half-an-hour before it started. Probably close to a hundred people crammed in there - though, to be fair, quite a number of them were probably drawn by the Q&A's moderator Jon Hamm. But that adds to my point as well: Sepinwall and Seitz were canny enough to figure out what kind of book their audience was interested in, didn't burn their professional bridges (most, if not all of the major TV critics have been posting about the book, retweeting Alan and Matt whenever they post about events and helping get the word out; and again, they were able to get people like Jon Hamm to do events with them for the book) and haven't been giving off an air of "Buy this book or I'll shoot this dog!".

 

Both Sepinwall and Drew are critics of a certain age, who came in at the forefront of their particular movement (recap reviews and nerdblogs), but only one of them still commands a considerable amount of respect in his field, while the other is increasingly screaming into the void.

post #4416 of 4446

Not for nothing, but Sepinwall actually cut his teeth in print/newspaper journalism before moving to the web, and I find people with that background to be more professional across the board. 

The Film Nerd book also isn't on Amazon, which is probably cutting into its sales. I'd definitely throw it a couple of bucks if I could get it on my Kindle. There's also the fact that he's promoted it as being the majority of columns which are available for free, so there's no real desire there. 

 

I'll be curious to see what happens with Jeremy Smith's tell-all. 

 

TV: The Book is great. 

post #4417 of 4446

Very true about writers with that kind of newspaper background - and both Seitz and Sepinwall promoted that book for months before it was even available for preorder, IIRC. They really put in the legwork on it.

 

Hadn't realized that the FilmNerd book isn't on Amazon - that's definitely gotta be hurting the sales.

post #4418 of 4446
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post



The Film Nerd book also isn't on Amazon, which is probably cutting into its sales. I'd definitely throw it a couple of bucks if I could get it on my Kindle. There's also the fact that he's promoted it as being the majority of columns which are available for free, so there's no real desire there. 

Does Drew acccept constructive criticism?


Maybe he can change the title to "You're WRITING it Wrong".
post #4419 of 4446
Seems like a failure to figure out whether there truly was a paying audience for that book plus a failure of distribution and marketing. Maybe he should try Patreon.
post #4420 of 4446
If anyone was on the fence, that whiny tweet should send them into Nopeland. I'm frankly astonished no one has heckled him for it.
post #4421 of 4446
Helps that Sepinwall is just flat-out very good at his job. He also does manage his "presence" well... Even the knuckleheads on the sports radio station I listen to reference him when they're talking TV shows.

I miss the podcast he used to do with Daniel Fienberg... With that I was kinda like the grandpa from "The Lost Boys"-- read the TV Guide, you don't need a TV. I knew what was going on with most shows without having to watch them. Big time saver.
post #4422 of 4446
Quote:
Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post

As I've said before, take your "followers" and "likes" to the bank and see what they count for as collateral sometime.

 

I just think it's not something that is of interest to most of his audience. PULP AND POPCORN is a better fit, and a better use of what Drew does. Plus isn't this book just reusing a lot of the colums he used to write for Hitfix? So a lot of people would've already read it. 

post #4423 of 4446
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightning Slim View Post

I'm frankly astonished no one has heckled him for it.

Probably because nobody cares enough. That's how irrelevant he is now.
post #4424 of 4446
I don't need to read a condescending book telling me why I don't get the magic of the prequels because some small children without critical capacity like them.
post #4425 of 4446

Yeah, I've got no dog in this fight because I've never read any of his articles but I'm struggling to figure out what the appeal of his book is.

 

Why would anybody want to read a book about a guy watching movies with his kids? 

post #4426 of 4446
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike J View Post

Why would anybody want to read a book about a guy watching movies with his kids? 

Just add "The Drew McWeeny Story" and you just came up with the perfect title for his biography.
post #4427 of 4446
Oh, conceptually, I can see the general idea of how we pass the media we love down to our kids having some value. I'm kind of doing a podcast about just that. It's a natural instinct, and I've definitely caught myself looking forward to sharing some movie or book with my nonexistent offspring. There's something there, though nothing about McWeeny's book looks like it fulfills what I might find interesting about it.
post #4428 of 4446

So is Drew just a stand-in while you guys await more reasons to complain about Devin, or what?

post #4429 of 4446
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arjen Rudd View Post

Oh, conceptually, I can see the general idea of how we pass the media we love down to our kids having some value. I'm kind of doing a podcast about just that. It's a natural instinct, and I've definitely caught myself looking forward to sharing some movie or book with my nonexistent offspring. There's something there, though nothing about McWeeny's book looks like it fulfills what I might find interesting about it.
Yeah, exactly. It's not an unworthy topic, it's just that everything about this looks like the least interesting possible take on the subject. (As Freeman says, a man telling us that we're wrong for disliking movies because his kids don't care about their shortcomings - boy, sign me up!)
post #4430 of 4446
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike J View Post

Why would anybody want to read a book about a guy watching movies with his kids? 

Same reason as you'd want to read any book; because the guy's a good writer. From what I've seen, Drew is decent enough, but writing about Star Wars and his kids brings out his worst tendencies.
post #4431 of 4446
Quote:
Originally Posted by Schwartz View Post

Same reason as you'd want to read any book; because the guy's a good writer.

You have to be a good writer offering an interesting topic or story. And again, I've never read any of his articles, so I can't comment on the quality of his writing in the first place.
post #4432 of 4446
I feel like not enough has been written about Star Wars.
post #4433 of 4446

They're writing it wrong.

post #4434 of 4446
If only they heeded my advice on three-act structure...
post #4435 of 4446

The title of this book should be I'M RAISING THEM WRONG.

post #4436 of 4446
Quote:
Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post

As I've said before, take your "followers" and "likes" to the bank and see what they count for as collateral sometime.

 

People pay for quality.  The rule of thumb is, would you be selling if you didn't have a social media presence?  If the answer is no, your followers and likes don't mean shit.  Does the fact that Vin Diesel has a huge following on facebook mean the Fast films make tons of money?  No, they make tons of money because people like watching those movies... there is no correlation between social media and that franchise.

 

This is why it kills me when Hollywood chooses actors with large instawhore or twatbook followings as some measure of dollar value (it's a commons strategy these days, as opposed to picking a good actor who doesn't have a big social media presence).  It doesn't work like that and it never will.  People are fans of actors because they fucking act well (or to their "tastes"), not because they're popular on social media, OR, they just like the show... the fact that their favorite actor is on twatter is just a coincidence that's convenient, all they have to do is press "follow" and they have another popular person in their feed.  OR to put it more succinctly, the egg doesn't come first, the chicken does.

 

When it comes to selling something, it needs to be valuable despite social media, not because of it.  Are you talented?  Do you have a background?  Do people want what you're selling?  These are all things that have nothing to do with twatter followers.

post #4437 of 4446
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dent6084 View Post
 


Honestly, even beyond Muzman's post, this is a big reason why Drew's book isn't selling, I think. He's been giving off a stink of desperation for awhile now, and it's caused his reputation to fall. Wild-eyed panic is not a good selling point.  Too, I think he's misjudged his audience. The Film Nerd 2.0 stuff is where his heart is, but I suspect he'd probably get more buyers (maybe even a real publisher) for an early tell-all history of the AintItCool era. And are any of those people helping him sell the book? Or has he burned all his bridges?

 

In contrast, just a couple of weeks ago I went to a Q&A book signing with Drew's former Hitfix coworker Alan Sepinwall, for the book he cowrote with Matt Zoller Seitz (called TV: The Book). Now, it was a small indie bookstore, but it was standing-room only for the Q&A over half-an-hour before it started. Probably close to a hundred people crammed in there - though, to be fair, quite a number of them were probably drawn by the Q&A's moderator Jon Hamm. But that adds to my point as well: Sepinwall and Seitz were canny enough to figure out what kind of book their audience was interested in, didn't burn their professional bridges (most, if not all of the major TV critics have been posting about the book, retweeting Alan and Matt whenever they post about events and helping get the word out; and again, they were able to get people like Jon Hamm to do events with them for the book) and haven't been giving off an air of "Buy this book or I'll shoot this dog!".

 

Both Sepinwall and Drew are critics of a certain age, who came in at the forefront of their particular movement (recap reviews and nerdblogs), but only one of them still commands a considerable amount of respect in his field, while the other is increasingly screaming into the void.

 

Sepinwall was a professional pre internet boom.  McWeeny started with AICN.  And therein lies a difference I find between those who found their way despite vs. because of - the internet.  There are exceptions to this of course, but internet bloggers and such seem to carry this air of entitlement and are quicker to burn bridges.  The the free-for-all nature of the internet seems to impart certain people with this strange mentality of non-professionalism, or professionalism with caveats... maybe it's because online bloggers are more likely to interact with their audience, and the professional barrier you would usually find between writer and audience isn't there.  It's like the difference between doing something for a bunch of strangers, vs. doing something you know your friends are going to read.  The former probably demands a certain level of dedication that is going to instill the final product with more merit I imagine.

 

Online professionalism doesn't seem to have the same degree of hardcore checks and balances you had to have for any kind of professional writing cred before the dot com boom.  I see so many incredible rookie mistakes with online journalists that would be unforgivable in a say, a magazine or a print newspaper.  But they get away with it.  Constantly.  There is this annoying slacker mentality with online bloggers/writers I find that is really unnerving. As I said, there are exceptions to this, but there are always going to be people who are more on top of their game.  But the rule seems to be, "hey it's internet, it doesn't have to be perfect".  Or more in line with this topic, "hey it's the internet and I've got lots of followers, why aren't people buying my shit?"  It's like their brain has been rewired to reject reality.  

post #4438 of 4446
In other news, though the early editions of KILL OR BE KILLED have essays from Faraci (Which I actually like to be fair), the latest one has traded up for Kim Morgan, who is sorely underrated. 
post #4439 of 4446
Quote:
Originally Posted by James View Post
 

 

I just think it's not something that is of interest to most of his audience. PULP AND POPCORN is a better fit, and a better use of what Drew does. Plus isn't this book just reusing a lot of the colums he used to write for Hitfix? So a lot of people would've already read it. 

 

I think that's the issue entirely. It is for me, anyway. I'll probably subscribe to Pulp and Popcorn and could see myself paying for an original book, but there's no incentive to buy repackaged, previously free material. That's a simpler explanation than this idea that everyone is objecting to Drew's role in the critical zeitgeist or something.

post #4440 of 4446

"Toshi looked at my book sales and putting on his Grand Moff Tarkin face and said 'your sales stink Dad!'

 

I knew he was just a child, confused by the world, but he had never seen sales figures so terrible, let alone any sales figures.  I didn't want to spoil the surprise that was waiting for him later.  He hadn't noticed the bottle of cheap vodka that I had hid between the seat cushions in the living room.  I figured he was old enough to handle it.  I know I was a year younger when my mind was witness to such a display.

 

Tonight he will finally get to see what all the fuss is about in the Mos Eisely cantina.  A place where no goods, scoundrels, and disappointed writers go to make sense of the world.  I just hope, this time, Han shoots first."

post #4441 of 4446
It's like everything boring and eye-rolling about people who post endlessly about their kids on social media, but more pretentious.
post #4442 of 4446
Quote:
Originally Posted by RCA View Post
 

"Toshi looked at my book sales and putting on his Grand Moff Tarkin face and said 'your sales stink Dad!'

 

I knew he was just a child, confused by the world, but he had never seen sales figures so terrible, let alone any sales figures.  I didn't want to spoil the surprise that was waiting for him later.  He hadn't noticed the bottle of cheap vodka that I had hid between the seat cushions in the living room.  I figured he was old enough to handle it.  I know I was a year younger when my mind was witness to such a display.

 

Tonight he will finally get to see what all the fuss is about in the Mos Eisely cantina.  A place where no goods, scoundrels, and disappointed writers go to make sense of the world.  I just hope, this time, Han shoots first."

post #4443 of 4446

I'd be totally fine with never seeing "Yeah, I said it" or some variation thereof never used in a review again. 

post #4444 of 4446
Ha. That's become such a shitty common parlance I think people forget it's self-congratulation for having such a brave, unconventional opinion. About superhero movies, as often as not.
post #4445 of 4446
You know how I know you're not a real writer? Your article/blog/whatever includes the phrase "I can't even".
post #4446 of 4446
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike J View Post

You know how I know you're not a real writer? Your article/blog/whatever includes the phrase "I can't even".

 

I'll add "Because Internet." to that pile. When I started seeing that pop up in AVClub articles a few years ago, I knew it was time to check out.

 

I looked at AVClub the other day out of curiosity. The main page is overrun by clickbait gossip articles.

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Movie Miscellany
CHUD.com Community › Forums › THE MAIN SEWER › Movie Miscellany › Film Critic Catch-All