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post #1351 of 1390

What Happens in Vegas?

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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

At that point, what was Kutcher even pulling in terms of audiences? Did he have any hit movies around then?

I recall NO STRINGS ATTACHED coming out around the same time that Portman won the Oscar for Black Swan.

 

She shot it after Black Swan, and it came out before she won the Oscar in 2011. 

 

Kutcher's last hit before NSA was Valentine's Day, which was an ensemble piece. His last film before NSA, Killers, lost 25 million. 
 

I think the only reason he was able to get such a high price was his relationship with Demi Moore. 
 

So yeah. Sexism.

post #1353 of 1390

The Abolition of Abortion in Texas Act has been filed.  Here's the bill:

 

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/85R/billtext/pdf/HB00948I.pdf#navpanes=0

 

It does exactly what you think it does.  

post #1354 of 1390
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Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
 

The Abolition of Abortion in Texas Act has been filed.  Here's the bill:

 

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/85R/billtext/pdf/HB00948I.pdf#navpanes=0

 

It does exactly what you think it does.  

 

 

I am not a lawyer, but could someone be prosecuted if they crossed state lines and had an abortion?  The unborn child is probably considered a citizen of the State of Texas.

post #1355 of 1390

Oops wrong thread.


Edited by Waaaaaaaalt - 1/13/17 at 8:16am
post #1356 of 1390

A new police chief in Michigan has a history of assault:

 

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A psychologist resigned from an Illinois city's school board after shitty comments about the women's march:

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/park-ridge/news/ct-prh-park-ridge-protest-twitter-tl-0126-20170123-story.html

 

 

 

 

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"I wrote some provocative tweets re: the recent women's marches," the letter says. "In retrospect, they were inappropriate and pushed too far in some ways. While I merely meant to harshly criticize some of the protestors (especially the very angry, hostile, vulgar and violent ones) and question the motives of some of them, my tweets were understandably misinterpreted to mean that I disrespect or hate all the protestors. Of course, this isn't true, but the damage was done."

 

What violent protesters were there exactly on Saturday?

post #1358 of 1390
hahahah

DESTROY HIM
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Look im not going to lie, the term Vagina Screechers great. Like some kind of monster. Ladies you need to take that one and use it. Forget Nasty Women.

post #1360 of 1390
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Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
 

What violent protesters were there exactly on Saturday?

 

Why all these uppity biddies having the gumption to not know their place. They must all be interred in a sanitarium for their own good I say! 

post #1361 of 1390
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Originally Posted by Codename View Post
 

 

Why all these uppity biddies having the gumption to not know their place. They must all be interred in a sanitarium for their own good I say! 


What they need is some good ol' fashioned hysteria treatment!!

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Quite so, old bean. Quite so! 

post #1363 of 1390

If you're looking for a libertarian take from a minor celebrity-type on the march that revolves around hurting people and calling others homophobic slurs, do I have the metalcore singer for you:

 

http://www.metalinjection.net/latest-news/drama/can-you-guess-self-proclaimed-alpha-phil-labontes-reaction-to-this-weekends-womens-march

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Originally Posted by Codename View Post
 

Quite so, old bean. Quite so! 

Indubitably!  These lasses are of dubious moral character!  A steady diet of rootmarm and social decorum is in order I say!

 

>lights pipe, drinks heavily<

post #1365 of 1390
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Originally Posted by Jmurdoch View Post
 

Indubitably!  These lasses are of dubious moral character!  A steady diet of rootmarm and social decorum is in order I say!

 

>lights pipe, drinks heavily<

 

Along with the healthy administration of a stern dose of discipline, by paddle and hand, if need be!

 

*harrumphs loudly*

post #1366 of 1390

Im Pro-Life, but even I can understand why abortion, at least on some level, should be legal (personally, I think it should be legal up to the point of cellular level), just for the sake of personal liberty and women's rights.

What fucking vexes me is that abortion is not fought on other grounds, instead of directly; abortion can be legal AND have it go down in rate.

Instead of going throught this with bills, fundamentalism and more, how about:

 

-Establishing solid, unbiased, complete and informative Sex Ed in public schools.

-Ensure and protect the distribution and access to non abortive birth control methods.

-Ensure that sexual crimes like rape, assault and pedophilia carry the harshest sentences by law.

-Protect women's rights and fight discrimination.

-And so on...

 

The thing is abortion should not be illegal, but optional; and the more you provide women with laws and rights that protect and provide them, along with good, informative and factual sexual education, abortion rates will go down and down.

Instead of fighting abortion, fight the causes of it.

post #1367 of 1390

What always interests me about the abortion debate is that both sides are firmly entrenched in the "X behavior is morally wrong (or right), so it should be illegal (or legal)" argument.  Well ... morality is not the be-all-end-all of what should be legal or illegal.  Saying something is "wrong" is really not much of a starting point for determining legality.

 

Another interesting phenomenon is if you even suggest that not all abortions represent moral choices (is aborting a child because of its sex/gender a moral decision?) EVEN IF YOU THINK ABORTION SHOULD BE LEGAL, you are vilified.  There is some serious cognitive dissonance going on when pro-choice folks, particularly those have had abortions, are confronted with the simple reality that many find their choice to be immoral.  It's almost as though they think that because something is legal, it is prima facie evidence of the righteousness of a decision. 

 

On the very few occasions when I debate the topic, I offer this example:

 

1.)Your child is dying.  He/she needs a kidney.  You are the only match in the world.  Should it be illegal for you not to give the child your kidney?  Or, what if you are the only person in the world who's a blood match for a group of people?  Should you be compelled to donate blood?

 

I think most people would agree that the "moral" thing to do is donate the kidney or donate blood.  But, it isn't illegal to choose the "immoral" option of selfishness.  Why?  Because we have a long tradition of bodily autonomy even when such decisions are selfish.

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O'Reilly: people were "told to show up" to the women's march the way "totalitarian governments in the 20th century" would whip followers up.

 

https://mediamatters.org/video/2017/01/23/oreilly-womens-march-protesters-were-told-show-just-totalitarian-governments-20th-century/215098

 

Yeah.  Yeah, that's what it was.

 

There's just no having a dialogue with someone this far gone:

 

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BILL O'REILLY (HOST): Don't you feel they showed up because they were told to show up? I mean look, if you look --

 

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: What do you mean told to show up?

 

O'REILLY: If you look at the totalitarian governments in the 20th century --

 

KRAUTHAMMER: You're told to show up?

 

O'REILLY: Yeah.

 

KRAUTHAMMER: Who tells anybody to show up in this country?

 

O'REILLY: The websites. They live on the websites. These people live on the websites

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KRAUTHAMMER: Yeah, but what's the threat? What's the threat, why do they have to go?

 

O'REILLY: Well, they have to go -- they don't have to go through a negative, they have to go to be with her brothers and sisters, and to show their solidarity and that they are good people and fight the fascist racists. I mean, it's a whip up, and if you study history, all the totalitarian regimes were fueled by whip-ups, okay? And people turned out to the streets, were they spontaneous? No. They were very well organized and targeted, and the target this time is Trump, to get them out of there before the four years are over.

post #1369 of 1390
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Originally Posted by ryoken View Post
 

What fucking vexes me is that abortion is not fought on other grounds, instead of directly; abortion can be legal AND have it go down in rate.

 

The problem is that most of the people who oppose abortion also oppose every proven way of reducing the need for it. They keep expecting people to magically stop having sex outside of marriage. 

 

I'm willing to bet 90%+ of pro-choice people would be in favor of driving down the abortion rate as much as possible through quality sex education, easily available contraceptives, and accurate information. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
 

O'Reilly: people were "told to show up" to the women's march the way "totalitarian governments in the 20th century" would whip followers up.

 

Papa Bear can't imagine women actually making decisions for themselves.

post #1370 of 1390
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Originally Posted by ryoken View Post
 

Im Pro-Life, but even I can understand why abortion, at least on some level, should be legal (personally, I think it should be legal up to the point of cellular level), just for the sake of personal liberty and women's rights.

This makes you Pro Choice by standard US terminology.

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Originally Posted by Overlord View Post
 

What always interests me about the abortion debate is that both sides are firmly entrenched in the "X behavior is morally wrong (or right), so it should be illegal (or legal)" argument.  Well ... morality is not the be-all-end-all of what should be legal or illegal.  Saying something is "wrong" is really not much of a starting point for determining legality.

 

Another interesting phenomenon is if you even suggest that not all abortions represent moral choices (is aborting a child because of its sex/gender a moral decision?) EVEN IF YOU THINK ABORTION SHOULD BE LEGAL, you are vilified.  There is some serious cognitive dissonance going on when pro-choice folks, particularly those have had abortions, are confronted with the simple reality that many find their choice to be immoral.  It's almost as though they think that because something is legal, it is prima facie evidence of the righteousness of a decision.

 

My understanding is this reflects the general tenor of the political debate over the decades.  The new absolutism doesn't seem that common to me, but I could be wrong.  Either way it is an outgrowth of/reaction to older tactics where abortion freedom types found themselves having to defend something most people consider at best  kinda gross and don't care if it's banned or restricted. So it's defended with a sort of pragmatic solemnity as an occasionally necessary ill (if not evil).

The down side to this is it doesn't help with the guilt and shame associated with it, which people would also like to lessen.  When you get down to it, I don't think there's many who expect it to be completely normalised  (although with some folks it's hard to tell).  But they generally see, with good reason too, that abortion rights in the US are always under threat and clinging on for dear life (yuk yuk).  The more moderate  "legally permissable, but still open for moral debate" tack (however honest and propera  position that might be) hasn't managed to cement abortion rights and reflect their experience.  It's still faintly abhorrent shadowy and shameful.  So they intend to take a much more bold stance.

They're not surprised people find their choices to be immoral.  That's been the norm, legal or not.  They're just going to insist back that it isn't immoral.

post #1371 of 1390

Anyone ever see Tony Kaye's LAKE OF FIRE?

 

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The lede is really all you need:

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-nebraska-state-senator-womens-march-retweet-20170123-story.html

 

 

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Kintner declined to comment Monday when reporters approached him at the Capitol. His office later released a statement saying: "By retweeting a message, I was not implying support for putting women in fear of their personal safety. I took down the retweet as soon as I became aware that it was being misconstrued."

 

All these guys getting in trouble keep churning out these "listen to what I'm really saying" responses.  

post #1373 of 1390
That's become standard operating procedure thanks to the Commander in Chief. Throw a grenade to grab the spotlight, because that's what really matters. What happens next you make up as you go along, feeling out the room so to speak. Shock comedy as statecraft.
post #1374 of 1390

The wife of a GOP official in New Jersey attempted to defend him after he posted a misogynistic meme about the women's march:

 

http://lawnewz.com/opinion/i-just-happen-to-enjoy-cooking-wife-of-gop-official-disastrously-defends-husband-over-misogynist-meme/

 

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Today, at an Atlantic County, New Jersey Freeholder’s meeting, Joann Carman, the wife of GOP Freeholder John Carman took to the podium to stand by her man. Twice, Mrs. Carman tried to say that her husband wasn’t a misogynist, but her message was lost as it became clear that was totally unfamiliar with the term. Twice, she stumbled over pronunciation, saying “I know for a fact that my husband is not a misog-in-igist, or whatever that word is.”
This all stems from a Facebook meme that her husband, an elected official, posted over the weekend which reads, “Will this Women’s Protest Be Over in Time for Dinner?”
Mr. Carman’s dutiful wife went on to call him “a very decent man” with “a sense of humor.” She continued to rail against critics, saying that “the world has lost their sense of humor.” Her statement continued:
“I worked for many years. I just happen to enjoy cooking and baking and doing yard work and supporting my husband in whatever he may want to get involved with.” She went on to proclaim her husband “not a racist” – and backed up that proclamation by staying “Anybody who thinks he’s a racist… I do not do Facebook. I do not do social media and I will speak because I am totally offended. I don’t even do computers.”
post #1375 of 1390
Aren't abortion rates at the lowest they've ever been?
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

Aren't abortion rates at the lowest they've ever been?


Probably, but we can't discount the fact that several states have gone to great lengths to make getting an abortion difficult, sometimes to the point of nigh-impossible if you're poor.

 

That's where the great hypocrisy of the right wing comes in: They bitch about "welfare queens" having 20 kids to milk the system but don't want to do ANYTHING to slow down the birth rate beyond hoping that unwed people will magically stop having sex.

post #1377 of 1390

What kills me is that a bunch of old men who were probably some totally randy fuckers back in their teen years want everyone to stop having sex before marriage.

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Sexual misconduct from male Philadelphia police officers is protected by a code of silence:

 

https://phillydeclaration.org/2017/01/23/detective-code-of-silence-hides-sexual-misconduct-by-philly-police/

 

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Judge Kearney in that ruling wrote that a “a well-settled custom of sexual harassment” pervades the police force. He also wrote that “Ms. Vandegrift’s coworkers and supervisors directed sex-based conduct toward her and other female employees throughout her employment.” Vandegrift has worked in the Department for 13 years.

 

“When you’re in a male-dominated workplace, well, particularly my male-dominated workplace, it’s almost like you’re stored into groups…You’re like that female that complains, the rat, the one who breaks the code of silence, the one you cannot trust. You’re a whore. You just fuck everybody. You’re a lesbian. You’re, you’re butch. You’re a bitch. I mean, this – these are what my male colleagues have said throughout my career,” Vandegrift testified in 2016.

 

More at the link.

post #1379 of 1390
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A Texas lawmaker who wants to criminalize abortion says he believes women ought to be “more personally responsible” for their sexual behavior.

 

“Right now, it’s real easy,” Rep. Tony Tinderholt, R-Arlington, told the Texas Observer this week. “Right now, they don’t make it important to be personally responsible because they know that they have a backup of, ‘Oh, I can just go get an abortion.’ 

 

DIAF, motherfucker.

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Too lenient. I think that women who want to have sex outside the purposes of procreation should be executed. That will get them thinking properly.

post #1381 of 1390

https://youtu.be/T9cTQ1ZRdbw?t=1m24s

 

(a movie that hasn't dated very much in its prods at US conservatism)

post #1382 of 1390

Let's hope Trump doesn't get any ideas from his best buddy Putin.  Russia is looking to pass a law that basically makes domestic abuse legal, or at the very least, a minor crime.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/world/europe/russia-domestic-violence.html

 

"The amendment treats a first conviction for domestic battery as an administrative offense, carrying a penalty of a $500 fine or 15 days in jail. If Mr. Putin signs the measure into law, only injuries like concussions or broken bones, or repeated offenses committed in a family setting, would lead to criminal charges."

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oops, wrong thread.

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That Arkansas abortion bill we were talking about a while back?  It's here:

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/02/new-law-lets-dads-veto-abortions.html

 

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Arkansas Act 45, signed by Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson last Thursday, bans dilation and evacuation abortions, the most common abortion procedure during the second trimester of pregnancy. Rushed from filing to law in less than two months, the legislation effectively blocks abortions after 14 weeks by making the safest procedure a felony. The earliest current abortion bans block the procedure after 20 weeks.

 

With no exception for rape or incest, and a clause that allows a woman’s spouse or parent to sue an abortion provider, the law potentially allows the fetus’s father to sue even in cases of spousal rape or incest, abortion rights activists say. The law could go into effect as early as spring.

post #1387 of 1390

A seventh grade girl in New Jersey who sued her school to play on the boys basketball team has been expelled along with her sister:

 

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-international/New-Jersey-Girl-Who-Sued-to-Play-on-Boys-Basketball-Team-Expelled-from-School-412500713.html

 

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Knicks legend Herb Williams complimented Sydney on her game at the MSG Training Center in Tarrytown, and her night was made. But just as quickly, the family's spirit was crushed: her father, Scott Phillips, got word from the family's attorney during the tour that both his daughters were expelled from the school.

 

"I was baptized here, I got married here, and this is what the church does?" said Phillips. "These girls did nothing wrong. "The church should be ashamed." 

 

The Archdiocese of Newark said in a statement Thursday that parents and guardians of every student at St. Theresa School received a handbook at the beginning of the year that states, "If a parent implicates St. Theresa School in a legal matter, or names St. Theresa School as a defendant in a civil matter, the parent/guardian will be requested to remove their children immediately from the school." 

post #1388 of 1390

This story about Uber starts with a manager using the old "we're in an open relationship but my wife can find people to fuck, but I can't" trick on a female subordinate, and gets worse from there: 

https://www.susanjfowler.com/blog/2017/2/19/reflecting-on-one-very-strange-year-at-uber

Fuck Uber. 

post #1389 of 1390
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

This story about Uber starts with a manager using the old "we're in an open relationship but my wife can find people to fuck, but I can't" trick on a female subordinate, and gets worse from there: 

https://www.susanjfowler.com/blog/2017/2/19/reflecting-on-one-very-strange-year-at-uber

Fuck Uber. 

 

It sounds like she did a good job documenting all that horrific garbage. She should find a good labor attorney and sue the living fuck out of them.

post #1390 of 1390

That story does not surprise me in the least. What's worse is how many women play along with shit like that. 

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