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post #351 of 427
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

I'd maybe at least center it in the space it's in.


Fixed some of the formatting issues.

 

post #352 of 427
Feels like something is off. Organization wise, great. Personality, not there.

I think it's the grey (fuck off Liam, not that), it seems suddenly out of no where.
post #353 of 427

I'm also not sure "Send a Leak Letter" is going to mean a whole lot to a new visitor.

post #354 of 427
I like the new layout a lot better but I prefer the existing logo. It just needs to take up far less real estate than it does currently, maybe be closer in size to the way it's displayed on the forums.

And yeah, too much grey.
post #355 of 427
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Originally Posted by bradkovach View Post

 

I think the new logo will grow on you.

 

Eh, it's pretty WordArty (and doesn't really say much about the site), but like Timothy said, I think it's a pretty minor downside compared to a much cleaner general look. Do kind of like the contest idea though.

post #356 of 427
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Originally Posted by SeanCE View Post

I really don't mean to sound negative, as all I've tried to say in the past is what would help this place.

But that seriously cannot be the logo you're going with. It says nothing about the established brand, gives no clue to public as to what this site is about. There are general graphic design principles that you have to follow.

It says "comedy!" in the broadest of ways, but not the kind of humour I'd associate with this place. Its painfully generic in the most out of date and boring way.

There's actually not anything wrong with the logo you have now, it just needs to be smaller.

Anyone says that looks good either has no eye for design, is too close to it, hasn't been given enough options or is a raving lunatic.

I'm not sure a logo like that would have been acceptable even 20 years ago outside of cheap childrens toys/boardgames/books/films.

Unless the tone and style of this site changes, you need to come up with a few more drafts or options. Maybe run a contest on the forums to find a new one.

Something, anything, but that.


All correct, this. Hell, just dropping the exclamation point from the new logo would be a marked improvement, but the font is still only a half step away from Comic Sans, the usage of which is the most cardinal of graphic design sins.

post #357 of 427

We've been corresponding about the logo, and what CHUD's identity is, and we're postponing this new design until we come up with a plan that everybody can love.

 

We see you're not THRILLED with the new logo, so we'll keep iterating until we find something that agrees with everyone.

 

#tothedrawingboard

post #358 of 427
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Originally Posted by SeanCE View Post


There's actually not anything wrong with the logo you have now, it just needs to be smaller.
 

 

This. I don't see anything wrong with the current logo - it has identity, stands out and looks one hundred times better than the one you almost went with (which I have to agree was kind of terrible looking, and I know nothing about graphic design). There's a smaller version at the top of this page, in fact. Can't we just use that?

post #359 of 427

Regarding a new logo... these days clean simple logos (no drop shadows, textures so on) are what's happening in graphic design. You'll notice, Microsoft, ebay, Dominos, USA Today... all went with simpler clean logos. Even Facebook just removed the ONE detail on their famous "F" icon that wasn't part of the F. 

 

Keep that in mind with the layouts as well. The less textures and drop shadows the better... from a design standpoint.

 

You guys are on the right path though. I hope you're not getting discouraged. SeanCE does have a lot of good advice hidden beneath his awful delivery. 

post #360 of 427

Young first timers or not, people don't appreciate being yelled at or reprimanded like children. It's an absurd approach if you want someone to actually listen to what you are saying. 

 

In the mean time... here is a simple (yet sloppy flavored) idea. I don't expect you to use or like it but I had a few minutes and any idea can be a helpful one.

 

 

post #361 of 427

My only thoughts are to lose the pure black background. It's fine for the forums, but for the main site it feels too dour.

 

A lot of thought needs to go into the logo for sure, it's going to be an ongoing process, and I generally agree with SeanCE's posts, slightly histrionic though they are!

post #362 of 427

Maybe I'm missing something but what's wrong with the old logo?  It's got a lot of personality to it which the ones being considered don't.

 

Also, and maybe I'm being really dense, but what's the difference between "The Very Latest" and "News?"  To me the categories are vague and arbitrary - why not just have the feed in two columns and include the category in the link title (e.g., NEWS: Blah blah; INTERVIEW: Blah, blah; REVIEW: Blah, blah)

 

I don't mean to be damming with faint praise - The new homepage looks great and is a vast improvement over the current one but it also feels like the kind of thing that's going to get overhauled yet again in 2 or 3 years and I would love CHUD more if this conversation were put to bed once and for all.

post #363 of 427

I've stated my preference for the chud.com/all page and I'm going to stick with it. The double column still looks like something of a mistake, there's gotta be a sort of hierarchy with regards to what catches the eye first and, apart from a slight difference in size, there is none between "LATEST" and "NEWS" (also what is the difference between them? At the moment, "Nick On...", "Movie of the Day" and "CHUD List" are all under NEWS, which doesn't seem right to me) ... But to be honest, even if you keep it that way I don't think it's a train smash, still way better than the homepage you had several weeks back. 

 

With regards to the logo, though I tend to prefer cleaner type I've grown to like the current one, it's got character. Just get rid of the distracting fucking lens flare in the middle. And if you're going to minimize it to fit in the top left of the page, maybe make the CHUD bigger than the COM or get rid of the COM altogether, because it tends to get lost the way it is now.


Edited by Evi - 4/28/13 at 5:59am
post #364 of 427
Flat design is becoming popular, but it only is great if you can distill a lot of content down.

Everytime I design something, we make a cental thesis/idea of the most central essence of the idea. Basically Inception. So what exactly is Chud? If it were an actual organism, define its qualities. Give it an identity.

To me when I designed the app, I took it as a creature that knew about movies based in a sewer filmed and written by Tarantino.
post #365 of 427
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Originally Posted by Evi View Post

I've stated my preference for the chud.com/all page and I'm going to stick with it. The double column still looks like something of a mistake, there's gotta be a sort of hierarchy with regards to what catches the eye first and, apart from a slight difference in size, there is none between "LATEST" and "NEWS" (also what is the difference between them? At the moment, "Nick On...", "Movie of the Day" and "CHUD List" are all under NEWS, which doesn't seem right to me) ... But to be honest, even if you keep it that way I don't think it's a train smash, still way better than the homepage you had several weeks back. 

 

With regards to the logo, though I tend to prefer cleaner type I've grown to like the current one, it's got character. Just get rid of the distracting fucking lens flare in the middle. And if you're going to minimize it to fit in the top left of the page, maybe make the CHUD bigger than the COM or get rid of the COM altogether, because it tends to get lost the way it is now.

 

 I too have made the Chud.com/all page my chud bookmark now. I visit every day, so I don't need things broken down into different columns. 

post #366 of 427

Just saw the new live site. Holy crap that's Perfect. The logo as is is amazing (love the little mouse over tilt. nice touch), its clean, easy to read, though the only thing I notice is that I don't recognize 2 of the minor image links on the bar (the first one which is the camera guy, and the little box between the feed button and the facebook button).

 

Otherwise, Way to go guys. Kudos.

post #367 of 427

It's alive!

 

Nick went through the archives and pulled up a historical CHUD logo.  We're starting a sort of "throwback" campaign with the logos.  For the next little while, we'll be showcasing CHUD's old logos in our new template as a hit tip to where CHUD has been over these past 15 years.

 

CHUD should be a bit easier to read now that the header is collapsed to more than HALF of its previous size.

 

We know everything isn't perfect, but if you see extreme, glaring problems let us know.

post #368 of 427

hrm, going through some articles, and I notice the text size is quite small now. Not sure if this is consistent across all articles, but I'm on the 'Studios Pissed about Cinedigm' one and its quite tiny.

post #369 of 427
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Originally Posted by Dave Jarvie View Post

Just saw the new live site. Holy crap that's Perfect. The logo as is is amazing (love the little mouse over tilt. nice touch), its clean, easy to read, though the only thing I notice is that I don't recognize 2 of the minor image links on the bar (the first one which is the camera guy, and the little box between the feed button and the facebook button).

 

Otherwise, Way to go guys. Kudos.


There were some issues with those little graphics, but I should have them all fixed up.

post #370 of 427

The size is the same, but the typeface has changed.  Make sure you aren't zoomed in or zoomed out by resetting your zoom settings.  In FF and Chrome you can do this by tapping Control/Command+0

 

It might still be too small, though.  If it remains a problem, I'll have a new fix up shortly.

post #371 of 427

Great job, guys. Love the throwback logo and I second the use of a tilt hover. I'm sure there will be some (hopefully) constructive criticism coming your way but I really appreciate the improvements you guys have made over the past few weeks.

 

(and I love the seaweed/scum being replaced with the sewer tile texture in the story cells! MUCH BETTER!)

post #372 of 427
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Originally Posted by Timothy Q View Post

Great job, guys. Love the throwback logo and I second the use of a tilt hover. I'm sure there will be some (hopefully) constructive criticism coming your way but I really appreciate the improvements you guys have made over the past few weeks.

 

(and I love the seaweed/scum being replaced with the sewer tile texture in the story cells! MUCH BETTER!)

 

Happy to see you noticed the subtle effect.  It's one of my favorite details.  Don't miss the logo or the search box, either.

post #373 of 427

Just wanted to stop in and say big improvement, much more readable and less cluttered. Also, I saw you're doing a rotating tour with the logos, but I have to say I really dig this retro one. Other than the yellow band being a little hard to read, it's iconic and has way more personality than the floaty CHUD bubbles (twist is a cool touch as well). The only small thing I'd say is that "The Very Latest" is sort of an ambiguous title, and because it's formatted the same way as the distinct sections, I don't know if it would be immediately obvious to a new reader that it was the collected feed.

post #374 of 427

Kinda missing the "Columns" link in the top bar (and not just because that is the area of the site that my writing is primarily focused nowadays).  Given the sheer amount of content flowing through it, I think it should remain featured:

 

- Editorials

- Interviews

- Contests

- Screenings

- Lists

- Franchise Me

- Collecting VHS

- The Steady Leak

- Crossing Streams

- Thor's Comic Column

- Movie Curiosities

- IAFT

- Late To The Party

- Inside The Actors Chewdio

- Movie of the Day

- ...and more

 

If space is an issue, why not bump the "Blogs" section from that bar?  We literally only have two bloggers right now: Nick and William Berk.  The former's blog is Finding A Discipline, which is also featured under "From The Desk of Nick".  The latter's is Movie Curiosities, which also appears in the Columns section.  While it would be ideal to get the Blogs section back to the level of productivity it sat at previously, the exclusive material just isn't there right now.  Just food for thought.

 

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Originally Posted by Evi View Post

The double column still looks like something of a mistake, there's gotta be a sort of hierarchy with regards to what catches the eye first and, apart from a slight difference in size, there is none between "LATEST" and "NEWS" (also what is the difference between them? At the moment, "Nick On...", "Movie of the Day" and "CHUD List" are all under NEWS, which doesn't seem right to me)

 

They are the same section.  The newest pieces in the list are at the top of the left column and they slowly move down that one and then over to the top of the right column before eventually disappearing from the list.  But I agree, that gap is confusing.

post #375 of 427

Great redesign of the top of the home page! It looks fantastic. The row of article categories at the top are so much clearer and easier to use.

 

I still do think that all the divisions of different columns on the home page aren't quite weighted right so that there's a sense of what you should first click on. I mean, they are in a way, since The Very Latest and News both have big titles and are at the left and right of the top. But it still seems like it could be done without so much content on the home page that has more simplicity than the older layout, but it could go further.

 

As it is, it makes me if I'm supposed to check each section on the home page for updates. I feel like that level of content on a single page should be something you can access from the home page. The chud.com/all page is much more elegant. I think a graphic designer could take that and make it a little more interesting to look at, but the idea is basically there. Ironically enough, if the home page is too populated with content, the chud.com/all page looks to sparse, though it's the right set up. I just think that some more work on the look of it would be ideal.

 

Oh, and there's a link to the Forums on the home page, like I begged for! I knew I could make it happen! Thanks for believing in me, mom and dad! Woooohoooo!

post #376 of 427
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Originally Posted by S.D. Bob Plissken View Post
They are the same section.  The newest pieces in the list are at the top of the left column and they slowly move down that one and then over to the top of the right column before eventually disappearing from the list.  But I agree, that gap is confusing.

 

Lol, fooled me, I thought it was two different sections. Is there any way to center it and just make it "New on CHUD" or something?

post #377 of 427

Here's an example of what I was just talking about as far as the layout itself.

 

http://www.i-am-bored.com/

 

You have all the latest posts going down the page and can go back as far as you want, like on the chud.com/all page. And you have all the different categories of posts along the top.

 

There's no confusion over where everything is, including all the categories of posts. All the content's easily accessible by category if you choose to click on the different categories of posts, but they don't make you see them all laid out on the home page so that you have to browse each category to see where the latest stories are from each section.

 

Obviously, the aesthetic, weight, and size of the links posted should be different for CHUD. I-Am-Bored mostly posts funny pictures and weird news stories, so the small titles are appropriate since they move down the page so quickly. But the whole template is basically there and adaptable.

 

And you guys already have put that idea into practice on the chud.com/all page. I just want to encourage you to expand on it and refine it.

post #378 of 427

Logo's much better. Getting there!

 

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Originally Posted by S.D. Bob Plissken View Post

 

They are the same section.  The newest pieces in the list are at the top of the left column and they slowly move down that one and then over to the top of the right column before eventually disappearing from the list.  But I agree, that gap is confusing.

 

You're kidding me. Well they appear to be 2 different sections, since there's a "more old posts" link underneath LATEST and "more news" underneath NEWS. But if what you're saying is true then the formatting is fucking weird and that space is definitely a mistake.

 

Also Brad, that "more news" link underneath the news section leads to Reviews.

post #379 of 427

In the Community/Forums pages, could the links at the top look the same as on the home page? The home page banner and links with clear white on green make it even more apparent how ungainly it is to read black on dark green.

 

In fact, I'd recommend just turning the text white for the "Home/Forums/Wikis/Reviews" etc links at the top.

post #380 of 427
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Originally Posted by bradkovach View Post

It's alive!

 

Nick went through the archives and pulled up a historical CHUD logo.  We're starting a sort of "throwback" campaign with the logos.  For the next little while, we'll be showcasing CHUD's old logos in our new template as a hit tip to where CHUD has been over these past 15 years.

 

I'm not sure that's a good idea.  I mean yeah, nostalgia, but new visitors are just going to see the logo changing for no reason.  You need to get the identity stamped, not spend time saluting a history the majority of visitors likely have no appreciation of.

 

It might be a good idea to have mouse-over titles on the icons at the top.  Facebook and Twitter are pretty obvious, but I had no idea what the cameraman was supposed to be.

post #381 of 427

bradkovach, I...Love the new home page.  The green against the black gives a...3Desque effect.  The classic logo is of course...Classic!

post #382 of 427

I'll add my voice to those who approve of the new homepage. You wouldn't believe how long I spent making the logo move, once I discovered what happened when your cursor rested upon it. Well, you probably would but it's best if nobody dwells on it.

post #383 of 427

Just a heads up, the moving logo is pretty glitchy on my safari. Dunno if anyone else is having that problem.

post #384 of 427
Love the old logo call back. If you tint the bricks green and throw some man holes on it, get that sewer feel.
post #385 of 427
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Originally Posted by Evi View Post

Just a heads up, the moving logo is pretty glitchy on my safari. Dunno if anyone else is having that problem.

 

Windows or Mac?  What version?

post #386 of 427
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

 

I'm not sure that's a good idea.  I mean yeah, nostalgia, but new visitors are just going to see the logo changing for no reason.  You need to get the identity stamped, not spend time saluting a history the majority of visitors likely have no appreciation of.

 

It might be a good idea to have mouse-over titles on the icons at the top.  Facebook and Twitter are pretty obvious, but I had no idea what the cameraman was supposed to be.

 

We won't be changing it too often so as to damage the brand.  Celebrating CHUD's heritage is extremely important this year.  CHUD is coming up on its 15th birthday!

post #387 of 427
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

It might be a good idea to have mouse-over titles on the icons at the top.  Facebook and Twitter are pretty obvious, but I had no idea what the cameraman was supposed to be.

 

Done.  Usability is top priority here.

post #388 of 427
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Originally Posted by Evi View Post

Also Brad, that "more news" link underneath the news section leads to Reviews.

 

Fixed!  Thanks for the heads up!

post #389 of 427
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Originally Posted by Evi View Post

Logo's much better. Getting there!

 

 

You're kidding me. Well they appear to be 2 different sections, since there's a "more old posts" link underneath LATEST and "more news" underneath NEWS. But if what you're saying is true then the formatting is fucking weird and that space is definitely a mistake.

 

Also Brad, that "more news" link underneath the news section leads to Reviews.

 

Let me clarify how the top two sections work!  The first column is the 5 latest posts, regardless of category.  The second column is the five latest news posts (unless they are in the first column already since we don't want to be redundant).

 

This is an editorial problem because posts are not being categorized appropriately, which is why you're scratching your head as to why "NEWS" has a lot of not-news entries in it.  I will pass these concerns along.


Edited by bradkovach - 4/29/13 at 6:45am
post #390 of 427

I'm liking it. Having less categories on the homepage definitely helps. But I think changing it to only one column would make it even more user friendly. 

post #391 of 427

Just wanted to chime in and say I'm LOVING the new homepage layout. Nicely done, all!

post #392 of 427
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Originally Posted by bradkovach View Post

 

Windows or Mac?  What version?

 

Mac Safari 5.1.4

post #393 of 427
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Originally Posted by Evi View Post

 

Mac Safari 5.1.4

 

There is not comprehensive CSS3 Animation support in that version.  You SHOULD be able to upgrade.  I'll put in some checks so that these futuristic CSS effects aren't applied on devices that aren't ready to support them.

post #394 of 427

Not too shabby thus far.  As a fellow web/graphic designer, the logo is definitely better.  The layout is clean and less cluttered.

 

I don't get the point of the animation, but if people like it, cool.

 

The only thing that truly sticks out as a visual oddity are the header bars for Latest, Columns and Blogs.  They are a bit plain and they look incomplete.  I don't think they need to be heavily designed, but just a little extra would help pull the entire page together.

 

Additionally, the font used in the summary block at the top of each section is coming through as a serif font similar to Times New Roman.  The rest of the site is sans-serif.  (I have always sucked at identifying specific fonts that aren't stylized.)

 

Keep up the good work!

post #395 of 427
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Originally Posted by wd40 View Post

 

The only thing that truly sticks out as a visual oddity are the header bars for Latest, Columns and Blogs. 

 

Like on the sidebar?  I am working on making those a little more appealing.

post #396 of 427

Yes, those.  Perfect.  Shutting up now. : )

post #397 of 427

Fuck yes. Things are looking awesome.

post #398 of 427
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Originally Posted by wd40 View Post

Yes, those.  Perfect.  Shutting up now. : )

 

We're also currently appealing... POTATOES!

post #399 of 427

Is there going to be something on the left and right margins? They're pretty wide and completely black. I think they could use some of that subtle sewer texture to break up the blackness a bit. Other than that, this new homepage is looking really slick!

post #400 of 427

I note the Flubber/CHUD-the-Musical logo version is still down the bottom.  Should save all these up and put them in a big rotating thing on some important anniversary.

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